Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

Dan1988 · 2025-12-05T04:11:17-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
This idea that the Sabbath is not supported in the NT, is not accurate. The Sabbath is quoted 55 times in the New Testament. Was kept after Jesus died, His covenant ratified on His death and the Sabbath was still kept after according to the commandment by His faithful followers that followed Him everywhere that Jesus never told changed

Luke23:56. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Because God keeps His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19. His disciples were the first to see Him after His death after keeping the Sabbath and He never told them once to stop keeping the Sabbath or told anyone not to, He would have had to tell them before because His covenant was ratified at His death and His death was once and for all Heb10:10 why Jesus again in His own words predicted His people of all nations to "hold fast His covenant" Isa56:6-7. Its a made up idea that is not in our Bibles, but was predicted Dan7:25 2Tim4:3-4

God said He wrote "His Laws" in the heart of the New Covenant believer Heb8:10 which included the 4th commandment- they went from written on tablets of stone (10 commandments) to written on tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3. Jesus Himself said it was LAWFUL to do good on the Sabbath Mat12:12 and one could still do evil on the Sabbath Mark3:4 (profane it Neh13:17 just as we were warned in the NT about being disobedient like those who came before us and why they could not enter their rest of the promise land Eze20:15-16 Heb4:6,11) Jesus Himself said the Sabbath would be kept after His death Mat24:20 why the apostles kept every Sabbath decades and decades later just as Jesus indicated Isa56:6-7

Act 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 18:4 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

and will be kept by "all flesh" His for saints eternity thus saith the Lord Isa66:22-23 -

Jesus said out of His own mouth the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark2:27 for everyone who loves His name, wants to join themselves to Him and serve Him Isa56:6. This idea that the 4th commandment, the one God said to Remember was forgotten in our Bibles in the NT against the will of God's spoken and written Testimony Exo31:18 and His promise Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 is not what our bibles say clearly.

None of Christ's disciples kept the Sabbath. The Lord Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, He ushered in the new covenant and much of the old covenant was made redundant.
We find the disciples observing the new Sabbath on Sunday instead of Saturday and the Lord Jesus accepted their worship on the new Sabbath.

Roman 14:5 "One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind".

It's the same thing when it comes to dietary requirements, of the old covenant.
Matthew 15:11 "Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man".

Jesus came to set us free from the law, so why do some insist on taking us back under the old covenant law keeping. Nobody has ever been able to keep the law anyway, God gave us the commandments to show us that nobody could keep any of them. They were meant to drive us to Jesus, instead of relying on our own ability to save ourselves.

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-05T05:37:15-0600

I am not going to address the first part of your post because its been addressed multiple times in this thread. Even in the very post you are replying to, that our words do not delete Scripture. .

Dan1988 said:
Nobody has ever been able to keep the law anyway,

Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Dan1988 said:
God gave us the commandments to show us that nobody could keep any of them.

Wow, we must have a complete different view of God. That God would give commandments that He judges people by James2:11-12 Mat5:19-30 Ecc12:13-14 Rev11:18-19 that can't be kept. Sadly, this really is an attack on His character. The God I serve gives us the power to keep them through Him and came to this earth to show us how to do so by example. Sadly most people only focus on His death and what He did for them and not focus on His life which tells us how we can receive His promises.

John 16:4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you[b] will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples
9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

So apparently God's commandments can be kept if we are abiding in Him. If one is believing they can't be kept I would spend more time in prayer asking for His help in overcoming.

The whole book of Revelations speaks of a people who overcomes and keeps God's commandments Rev14:12 sadly just a remnant Rev12:17 because most have been deceived either believing the devil has more power to keep us in sin, than God does to help us overcome or has edited the Testimony of God Exo31:18 Deut 4:13 that He promised not to Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 and do not allow God to define sin1John3:4 Rom7:7, His Law Deut4:13 , His covenant Deut4:13 Heb8:10 Isa 56:6-7 2Cor3:3 and think they know better than He.

Dan1988 said:
They were meant to drive us to Jesus, instead of relying on our own ability to save ourselves.

They show us our sin and what is righteousness right and wrong doing (Psa119:172) so we are not relying on our feelings to define this, so we go to Jesus ask ask His help in forsaking our sins Pro28:13 1John1:9 which meanings changing and turning from and becoming a new person in Christ Rom6:1-4, not continuing in the same path, where this is what we have to look forward to Heb10:26-30 instead of Rev22:14

Studyman · 2025-12-05T08:33:20-0600

Hentenza said:
The gentiles were only allowed in the outermost part of the temple called the court of the gentiles.

Not according to God's Law. But according to the Commandments of men the Pharisees taught for doctrines, this was true. According to the Pharisees, Faithful Gentiles "were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world". This is in part, one of the reasons the Messiah came in the first place, as the Bible teaches, for those "Seeking God's truth".

Mal. 2: 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

You are free to yield yourself to the Law of the Pharisees if you like. You wouldn't be the first. But it is my sincere hope that you turn from this world's religions, and consider what is actually written in Scriptures.

Hentenza said:
The main congregation in the temple were Jews not gentiles. I hope you are not trying to claim that the law was also given to the gentiles collectively simply because a few gentiles would go to the temple. That would be in total error.

Actually it was the God that you profess to know, that tells you HE gives His Law to "ANYONE" who would join themselves to Him.

Ex. 12: 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Lev. 19: 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you "shall be unto you as one born among you", and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

There has never been Jew or Gentile in God's Church, that the Pharisees persecuted. There are only two kinds of men on earth, those who Yield themselves servants to obey God, and those who don't. This has been the Biblical Truth since Cain and Abel.

A truth the promoters of this world's religions hide from, as Jesus teaches.

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-05T08:40:07-0600

Studyman said:
There has never been Jew or Gentile in God's Church, that the Pharisees persecuted. There are only two kinds of men on earth, those who Yield themselves servants to obey God, and those who don't. This has been the Biblical Truth since Cain and Abel.

Amen. And Jesus tells us how to join Him and be His servant, called for everyone, but like we are told many are called few are chosen because they do not respond to His call.

Isa 56:1Thus says the Lord:

Isa 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”

eleos1954 · 2025-12-05T09:11:47-0600

Hentenza said:
It’s actually repeated into Jesus two love commandments, however, the 4th commandment is not a moral commandment and it was not repeated.

Those in Christ are justified which is something that the law cannot do. Also, define “the law”.

And both were given to Moses during the 15 century BCE to give to Israel. This was 430 years after Abraham. The law has never been given to the gentiles.

Jesus gave the Christian two love commandments which included all if the 10 commandments except for the 4th commandment which He fulfilled by becoming the Lord of the Sabbath. We now rest in Him not on a day.

Agreed.

This is also called providential law because God is supreme.

Agreed.

The Christian is no longer under the guardianship of the law but walks in the Spirit which guides and convicts the believer as well as lead the believer in their lifelong sanctification process. The law remains to lead unbelievers to Christ.

There is a nuance here that you missed. See above.

What is sin? Transgression of the law .... yes the law leads one to Christ and after one receives Jesus as their Lord and savior then they are empowered by the Holy Spirit to help them overcome sin (transgression of the law)

A Sign of Relationship: The Sabbath serves as a perpetual covenant, a sign of the bond between God and His people, marking them as His obedient subjects.
Authority of the Lawgiver: Observing the Sabbath points to the Creator's right to rule and serves as God's "seal" on His law, proving its authenticity.
Distinguishing God's People: It sets apart those who recognize the true God (the Creator) from false gods and those who obey human authority over divine.
Final Test: a deciding factor, a moment where people must choose between obeying God's commandment (keeping the Saturday Sabbath) or human laws/traditions (like Sunday worship). The deciding factor is yet to come ... when keeping it is no longer a choice and Sunday is forced to be kept by governments.
Reveals Inner Motivation: It tests whether individuals serve self or God, revealing their commitment to His principles even when unpopular.

In essence, keeping the Sabbath is seen as an act of profound loyalty, demonstrating faith in God as the ultimate authority and Creator, especially in contrast to complying with practices that contradict His revealed will.

One can not accept the 10 while severing out the 4th ... and God is clear if you break one you break all.

Resting in Jesus means finding spiritual rest through Him, but the practice of the Sabbath (Saturday) is seen as a blessed, holy day to celebrate and remember that rest, not a "symbol" that has passed away.

Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy (set apart from other days" .... too many have "forgotten"

We keep the 7th day Sabbath out of love for our creator and for no other reasons ... in fact we strive to keep all the commandments (the 10) out of love for our creator.

Hentenza · 2025-12-05T09:28:50-0600

Studyman said:
You are free to yield yourself to the Law of the Pharisees if you like. You wouldn't be the first. But it is my sincere hope that you turn from this world's religions, and consider what is actually written in Scriptures.

Actually it was the God that you profess to know, that tells you HE gives His Law to "ANYONE" who would join themselves to Him.

Do you have an idea of how to frame an argument without being judgmental or insulting others? I am not under the law at all. I walk with the Spirit. The God that I “profess” never gave the law to the gentiles. You read your doctrine into the scriptures.

Hentenza · 2025-12-05T09:44:39-0600

eleos1954 said:
What is sin? Transgression of the law .... yes the law leads one to Christ and after one receives Jesus as their Lord and savior then they are empowered by the Holy Spirit to help them overcome sin (transgression of the law)

Great. We are making progress. So we are no longer under the guardianship of the law because of our faith in Christ.

eleos1954 said:
A Sign of Relationship: The Sabbath serves as a perpetual covenant, a sign of the bond between God and His people, marking them as His obedient subjects.

The sabbath is not a perpetual covenant. It was never kept before Moses and not given to the gentiles. Furthermore, it is not part of the new covenant of blood.

eleos1954 said:
Authority of the Lawgiver: Observing the Sabbath points to the Creator's right to rule and serves as God's "seal" on His law, proving its authenticity.

God, the Father, has given all authority to God, the Son (Matt. 28:18) which is why the rest is now in Christ.

eleos1954 said:
Distinguishing God's People: It sets apart those who recognize the true God (the Creator) from false gods and those who obey human authority over divine.

That would be unbelieving Israel not the church.

eleos1954 said:
Final Test: a deciding factor, a moment where people must choose between obeying God's commandment (keeping the Saturday Sabbath) or human laws/traditions (like Sunday worship). The deciding factor is yet to come ... when keeping it is no longer a choice and Sunday is forced to be kept by governments.

Nah. The church keeps the Lords day by celebrating His resurrection. The resurrection ushered in the new covenant and made the old covenant obsolete.

eleos1954 said:
Reveals Inner Motivation: It tests whether individuals serve self or God, revealing their commitment to His principles even when unpopular.

Nah. The inner motivation for the Christian is to work together with the Spirit in our lifelong sanctification process. The law will not help there at all.

eleos1954 said:
In essence, keeping the Sabbath is seen as an act of profound loyalty, demonstrating faith in God as the ultimate authority and Creator, especially in contrast to complying with practices that contradict His revealed will.

If you want to keep it then go right ahead but you are not to judge others that choose to worship on Sunday (Col. 2:16).

eleos1954 said:
One can not accept the 10 while severing out the 4th ... and God is clear if you break one you break all.

The 4th commandment was never repeated into Jesus two love commandments. There is no post resurrection verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

eleos1954 said:
Resting in Jesus means finding spiritual rest through Him, but the practice of the Sabbath (Saturday) is seen as a blessed, holy day to celebrate and remember that rest, not a "symbol" that has passed away.

I disagree.

eleos1954 said:
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy (set apart from other days" .... too many have "forgotten"

We keep the 7th day Sabbath out of love for our creator and for no other reasons ... in fact we strive to keep all the commandments (the 10) out of love for our creator.

Again, keep it if you like. For me I’m worshipping in Sunday.

Jerry N. · 2025-12-05T09:50:57-0600

eleos1954 said:
What is sin? Transgression of the law .... yes the law leads one to Christ and after one receives Jesus as their Lord and savior then they are empowered by the Holy Spirit to help them overcome sin (transgression of the law)

A Sign of Relationship: The Sabbath serves as a perpetual covenant, a sign of the bond between God and His people, marking them as His obedient subjects.

Authority of the Lawgiver: Observing the Sabbath points to the Creator's right to rule and serves as God's "seal" on His law, proving its authenticity.

Distinguishing God's People: It sets apart those who recognize the true God (the Creator) from false gods and those who obey human authority over divine.

Final Test: a deciding factor, a moment where people must choose between obeying God's commandment (keeping the Saturday Sabbath) or human laws/traditions (like Sunday worship). The deciding factor is yet to come ... when keeping it is no longer a choice and Sunday is forced to be kept by governments.

Reveals Inner Motivation: It tests whether individuals serve self or God, revealing their commitment to His principles even when unpopular.

In essence, keeping the Sabbath is seen as an act of profound loyalty, demonstrating faith in God as the ultimate authority and Creator, especially in contrast to complying with practices that contradict His revealed will.

One can not accept the 10 while severing out the 4th ... and God is clear if you break one you break all.

Resting in Jesus means finding spiritual rest through Him, but the practice of the Sabbath (Saturday) is seen as a blessed, holy day to celebrate and remember that rest, not a "symbol" that has passed away.

Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy (set apart from other days" .... too many have "forgotten"

We keep the 7th day Sabbath out of love for our creator and for no other reasons ... in fact we strive to keep all the commandments (the 10) out of love for our creator.

Shabbat shalom

Studyman · 2025-12-05T09:52:03-0600

Hentenza said:
Do you have an idea of how to frame an argument without being judgmental or insulting others? I am not under the law at all. I walk with the Spirit. The God that I “profess” never gave the law to the gentiles. You read your doctrine into the scriptures.

I simply pointed out to you what the God, who inspired the Holy Scriptures that Paul said were trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.", had written.

No different than the Jesus "of the Bible" and Paul did when speaking to the promoters of this world's religions of their time.

You say that the GOD "you profess to know", never inspired the Words I showed to you. Who am I to argue with you concerning the God you profess to know. We all choose, and are servants to whom we "Yield ourself" servants to obey, according to Paul.

I was simply pointing out what the God, who inspired the Holy Scriptures, told the world who HIS LAWS were created for.

And I did so in hope that you might consider His Words.

But it's ultimately your choice.

Hentenza · 2025-12-05T10:41:00-0600

Studyman said:
I simply pointed out to you what the God, who inspired the Holy Scriptures that Paul said were trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.", had written.

Yes. The scriptures are indeed trustworthy. However, interpretations of scripture are a different story. One has to be very careful not to read a preferred doctrine into them.

Studyman said:
No different than the Jesus "of the Bible" and Paul did when speaking to the promoters of this world's religions of their time.

Yes. And that would be an example of twisting scripture.

Studyman said:
You say that the GOD "you profess to know", never inspired the Words I showed to you. Who am I to argue with you concerning the God you profess to know. We all choose, and are servants to whom we "Yield ourself" servants to obey, according to Paul.

Here we agree in principle but from different perspectives, you for the law still being relevant and me for the law no longer being relevant. Please correct me if I understood you incorrectly about your argument.

Studyman said:
I was simply pointing out what the God, who inspired the Holy Scriptures, told the world who HIS LAWS were created for.

But the law’s purpose and practical use has changed from the old covenant to the new. And this change came about by Him fulfilling (completing) the law and nailing it to the cross.

Studyman said:
And I did so in hope that you might consider His Words.

But it's ultimately your choice.

My choice to do what exactly?

Bob S · 2025-12-05T11:42:08-0600

Can someone tell me why Paul would write in 2Cor3 that the Ten Commandments are done away and does not tell us that now they are written on our hearts? It seems to me that if the Ten Commandments equal the Law, as some are teaching on the form, that Paul would not have written in Gal 3:19 that they were only temporary.

2Cor3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious,... 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Gal3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Eph2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Now, please do not use the old Cliche that because I believe we are not under the dictates of the Old Covenant laws that I am lawless. Jesus, in John 15, makes it perfectly clear that we are under the New Law to love others as Jesus loves us. That means I won't covet, kill, or any of the other wrongs I could do to harm my fellow man. Paul makes it very clear that I am not under the Ten Commandments.

Studyman · 2025-12-05T11:51:00-0600

Hentenza said:
Yes. The scriptures are indeed trustworthy. However, interpretations of scripture are a different story. One has to be very careful not to read a preferred doctrine into them.

Yes, you can spot these people who read their own philosophy into Scriptures, by the way they avoid or hide from an actual discussion about what the actual scriptures say.

Hentenza said:
Yes. And that would be an example of twisting scripture.

Yes, the Holy Scriptures themselves, expose false teachings, when ALL of them are considered. This is why Jesus told His People that man shall "live by" Every Word of God, not the philosophies, traditions and doctrines of men.

Hentenza said:
Here we agree in principle but from different perspectives, you for the law still being relevant and me for the law no longer being relevant.

Well, you must remember, I read your posts, so I know your stated religious philosophy according to your own words. According to your stated religious philosophy, God's LAW was "NEVER" relevant to the Non-Jew.
The scriptures themselves, that I posted, and you hid from even acknowledging, points out the error in this poplar religious philosophy of this world. It's not that we have a different interpretation of the Scriptures I posted. It's that I considered these Scriptures as trustworthy, and you completely ignored them, according to your words on this post.

There is a difference between misunderstanding God's instruction, and rejecting God's instruction, in my view.

Hentenza said:
Please correct me if I understood you incorrectly about your argument.

My stated position, and Paul's, is that God Inspired the Holy scriptures " for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

You stated "The God that I “profess” never gave the law to the gentiles."

I posted God's OWN Words, Inspired by Him in the Holy Scriptures, where HE says, not me, that HIS LAW was given to everyone. I posted HIS Words, that HE Inspired for correction and reproof and instruction in righteousness.

It isn't me, of some interpretation that is correcting you. It is the God who Inspired the Words I posted for your review and examination, that was written specifically to correct you.

Hentenza said:
But the law’s purpose and practical use has changed from the old covenant to the new.

I have posted for you in the past, God's Inspired Word where HE defined for you exactly what HIS New Covenant is. I pointed out to you that it was the duties Priesthood that was prophesied to change, not God's Definition of Sin, in my understanding.

It's in Jer. 31: 33 and 34 for those interested in what HIS New Covenant entails, according to HIM. You are not promoting God's New Covenant, in my view, but an imagination of your own heart. And I am instructed to test the spirits and prove all things. So I am doing as I am instructed to do concerning the teaching of the "Many" who come in Christ's Name. It's not personal.

Post God's Words defining for us His Own New Covenant yourself and lets examine it. Lets look at God's Promised New covenant together, and see what HE promised to change.

Wouldn't that be the honest, and Godly thing to do for those Seeking the Righteousness of God?

Hentenza said:
And this change came about by Him fulfilling (completing) the law and nailing it to the cross.

Let's look at Jesus' Words together, as brothers in Christ.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till "all be fulfilled".

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So has all been fulfilled that was prophesied about the Jesus "of the Bible"?? Even His Own Prophesies about Himself?

Matt. 13: 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

So how is it you promote, that "ALL" has been fulfilled?

I look forward to the honest and unbiased discussion about God's Inspired Words.

Hentenza said:
My choice to do what exactly?

It seems obvious. You are preaching to others, ""The God that I “profess” never gave the law to the gentiles."

I just posted God's Own Inspired Words that expose this doctrine as NOT Wrought in God, but in the imaginations of the heart of this world's religious men.

I am happy to enter into an honest discussion concerning God's Own Words about WHO HE created his Laws for, all you have to do is post them, and be honest.

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