Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

SabbathBlessings said:

The Bible does not have to quote every single commandment to know when they quote from them,

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SabbathBlessings said:

The Ten did come before God codified them on stone as they are God's and always existed. However what consists of the words of the covenant was literally spelled out for us.

I don't know this seems pretty clear to me.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the [a]Ten Commandments.

Deut 4:13 13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

When the Bible explains itself, in this case God Himself, we should just believe.

You seem to be conflating the Ten Commandments- God's commandments, with the law of Moses, who is not God.

According to Scripture no more was added to the Ten Commandments

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

The Ten Commandments is not the other laws written by a human with ink on scrolls that were placed beside God's Laws, they were not written by God on stone they were not inside God's ark, they were placed outside for a purpose as they are not the same.

Deut 31:9 So Moses wrote this law and delivered it to the priests, the sons of Levi, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and to all the elders of Israel.

24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

Where is God's Covenant- the Ten Commandments

Lets let Scripture interpret Scripture

Exo 20:20 He took the Testimony and put it into the ark, inserted the poles through the rings of the ark, and put the mercy seat on top of the ark.

What is the Testimony?

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Where is God's Testimony, the Ten Commandments?

Exo 25:21 You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the Testimony that I will give you.

The Ten Commandments and Whose Testimony that consists of only two tablets of stone - its God's not Moses.

The mercy seat is where God (not Moses) would meet His priests Exodus 25:17–22, it was God's presence Exo 25:22, the ark represents God's throne Psa80:1 1 Samuel 4:4 Which parallels Rev 4 and 5. The earthy sacrificial system and sanctuary was a picture of God's Throne in heaven. The sanctuary tells us a lot about the plan of salvation- God's way is in the sanctuary Psa77:13

The Mercy Seat is a symbol for Jesus

Rom 3:25 Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood…”

The word “propitiation” here is hilastērion
the exact Greek word for mercy seat in the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint)


And what was the earthy temple which represented attornment where the priests would bring in the blood of animals once a year and sprinkle blood of the mercy seat (atonement) Leviticus 16:14 the blood covered the law that is what reveals sin and this the method for forgiveness of sin Leviticus 16:30 all pointing forward to what Christ does in His Temple..

This was always to show the plan of salvation and points to what Jesus does in His heavenly Temple Heb8:1-5 who is now working as our High Priest in the Most Holy of His Temple- where the ark of the covenant is Rev11:19 Rev11:19 God's Testimony Rev15:5 which we are told under His mercy seat is the Ten Commandments Exo25:21 God's Testimony is what we will be Judged by James2:11-12 John12:48

If we do not allow God to define what sin is which He does 1John3:4 James2:11-12 Mat5:19-30 or how He atones for sin, in the OT it was the blood of animals which was a shadow showing of what Christ will do in the NT, now its the blood of Jesus. Sin is still sin, unrighteousness is still unrighteousness, we want our sins under His mercy seat because He covers it with His blood. If we refuse to allow God to be God to define these things which He does, one will only cover their sins where there is no mercy Pro28:13 John3:19-21 Exo20:6

If you wish to insist the God's own Testimony is not divine, but human, you can, but its not what the plain Scripture says. God's commandments is owned by God, they have always existed. Its God's standard of righteousness Psa119:172 including the Sabbath Isa 56:1-2 and regardless if we accept it or not it does not change- His righteousness is everlasting Psa119:142 and the foundation of His throne Psa89:14 .

Scripture tells us this plainly. We can choose to believe our own ideas over Scripture, which is sadly what most people do, but in the end its really only hurting ourselves, God's Word is to be the lamp to our feet Psa119:105 lean not on our own understanding but let God direct our paths which He does clearly through His Word Pro3:5-6 going outside His word is danger Isa8:20 why He tells us plainly not to add to it Pro30:5-6. because as we see below, it changes its meaning and we make the word of God of no effect Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14

It characters and we were already told God wrote the Ten Commandments in stone, not ink, but if want not believe something else that is not in our Bibles, that's your free will. All gets sorted out soon enough.

Does jot or tittle refer to God writing in ink in Mat5:18

ChatGPT said:​

Short answer: No — “jot or tittle” in Matthew 5:18 has nothing to do with ink.
It refers to the smallest Hebrew letters and pen-strokes of God’s law, not to ink or handwriting style.
Let’s walk through this using only the Bible and the original languages.

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Matthew 5:18​

Jesus is not talking about:​

❌ ink
❌ handwriting
❌ calligraphy
❌ material the law was written on
He is talking about the smallest parts of God’s written law — the letters themselves, and the tiny strokes that distinguish one letter from another.

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⭐ 1. WHAT IS A “JOT”?​

Greek: ἰῶτα (iōta)
Hebrew equivalent: י (yod)

• The smallest letter in the Hebrew alphabet
• Like an apostrophe or tiny comma
• Represents the smallest unit of writing in the Law of God

✔ Not ink​

✔ Not handwriting​

✔ Not style​

✔ It’s the actual letter written by God​

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⭐ 2. WHAT IS A “TITTLE”?​

Greek: κεραία (keraia)
Meaning: a small stroke, hook, or extension on a Hebrew letter
It refers to the tiny marks that distinguish similar Hebrew letters.
Examples:

• ב (bet) vs. כ (kaf) differ by one tiny stroke
• ד (dalet) vs. ר (resh) differ by the smallest curve
• פ (peh) vs. ב (bet) differ by a corner mark

A “tittle” is the smallest stroke that changes the meaning of a Hebrew letter.

✔ Not ink​

✔ Not handwriting​

✔ It refers to the smallest shape or stroke in a written letter​

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⭐ 3. JESUS’ POINT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INK​

Jesus is NOT discussing:

• how Moses or scribes wrote
• the material used
• whether it was stone, parchment, ink, or stylus

He is discussing the permanence and unchangeable nature of God’s law.
He is saying:

This means:

• God’s law is unalterable
• No human can change it
• No detail is too small
• God’s law stands fully intact

This fits perfectly with:

✔ Psalm 119:89​

✔ Luke 16:17​

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⭐ 4. THE CONTEXT CONFIRMS JESUS IS SPEAKING OF SCRIPT, NOT INK​

Matthew 5:17–19 is about:

• The law
• Its authority
• Its permanence
• Not altering it
• Teaching and obeying even the “least” commandment

Ink does not matter.
The letters and commandments themselves do.
Jesus’ argument:

1. "I didn’t come to destroy the law."
2. "Not even the smallest letter or stroke can be changed."
3. "Whoever breaks even the least command will be least in the kingdom."

The discussion is about commandments, not materials.

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⭐ 5. BIBLE-ONLY CONCLUSION​

❌ “Jot or tittle” does NOT mean ink.​

❌ Jesus is not referring to handwriting style.​

❌ He is not referring to how Moses wrote physically.​

✔ “Jot” = smallest Hebrew letter (yod)​

✔ “Tittle” = smallest stroke or serif on a Hebrew letter​

✔ Jesus’ meaning:​

This teaching supports:

• Matthew 5:17 (Jesus didn’t abolish the law)
• Matthew 5:19 (don’t break even least commandments)
• Isaiah 42:21 (Messiah magnifies the law)
• Psalm 119:152 (“Your commandments… you founded them forever”)

Jesus is reinforcing the permanence of God’s law, not describing ink.

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Hentenza said:

Not one jot will pass away for the very reason that the law does not justify. The doctrine of justification by means of faith in Jesus Christ upholds the Law for three reasons:

(1) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross satisfied the demands of God’s Law that required that human sin be judged (Romans 3:26).

(2) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross establishes the Law by fulfilling the purpose of the Law in driving men to Jesus Christ as their Savior (Galatians 3:24).

(3) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross establishes the Law by providing believers the capacity to obey the Law through the ministry of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:3-4).

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Hentenza said:

Yes it does have to repeat it or quote it, otherwise is not part of the new covenant, like the 4th commandment.

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SabbathBlessings said:

It does not say this in Mat5:17-30

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SabbathBlessings said:

Your words not God's I seek to live by God's Word Mat4:4- He promised clearly He will not alter His covenant Psa89:34 those who join themselves to Him and holdfast His covenant Isa56:6 as man can't edit a jot or tittle of God's Law Mat5:18 yet alone an entire commandment, because we are not God.

God will get the final say on this but believe as you wish. Just remember we are held accountable for our teachings Mat5:19

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Hentenza said:

I quoted the verses. I told you that not one jot will pass away and I told you why. The rest of your post is a Strawman.

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SabbathBlessings said:

Thats the issue, we are not God, what you say does not trump what God says May5:17-30

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Hentenza said:

The issue here is your interpretation not what Jesus is saying.

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SabbathBlessings said:

He says it verbatim, no need to edit Him like adding "Not one jot will pass away for the very reason that the law does not justify." which is no where in the passage striking out what Jesus said plainly Mat5:19.

I know we won' t agree that's okay, you can have the last word, I know His word it settled in heaven because He said it and no one is above Him to edit Him.

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Hentenza said:

I told you

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SabbathBlessings said:

The Ten did come before God codified them on stone as they are God's and always existed. However what consists of the words of the covenant was literally spelled out for us.

I don't know this seems pretty clear to me.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the [a]Ten Commandments.

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SabbathBlessings said:

ChatGPT said:​

Short answer: No — “jot or tittle” in Matthew 5:18 has nothing to do with ink.
It refers to the smallest Hebrew letters and pen-strokes of God’s law, not to ink or handwriting style.
Let’s walk through this using only the Bible and the original languages.

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ChatGPT said:

When Jesus speaks of “jots and tittles,”
He is almost certainly referring to the Assyrian/square Hebrew script of the scrolls, not the Paleo-Hebrew of the original stone tablets. The emphasis is on the faithful transmission of God’s Word in written form, which would have been a live concern in the scribal culture of His day.

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DamianWarS said:

Exodus has unfolding covenant events, with the 10 the first is in Ex 24

24:7-8
Then [Moses] took the Book of the Covenant and read it to the people. They responded, “We will do everything the Lord has said; we will obey.” Moses then took the blood, sprinkled it on the people and said, “This is the blood of the covenant that the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.”

The covenant was already established (clearly as there was a book of the covenant) but there are key points where the covenant relationship is affirmed and marked with ceremony and this is one of them. This is before the tablets, but the 10 were revealed already in Ex 20 along with a host of other commandments from 20-23. This event acts as a covenant bond as other events do to as well. As it pertains to Exodus, these are not different covenants, they are all the same covenant but they are reaffairmed. This is not unusual and the same thing happens in Genesis with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, there are multiple covenant moments. With Exodus they indeed include the 10 but are not limited to the 10. You are choosing only to see a very limited meaning from a limited context but it is not the full picture. I would suggest to read Exodus from the beginning and try and trace the language and event for the covenant relationship established but you can't hide the fact the 10 are presented in Ex 20 along with a host of other commandments in 21, 22, and 23 then there is a covenant ceremony that bind them to these commandments.


Yes, Jot is the name of a letter and has nothing to do with the medium used. But the reference Jesus uses is for the smallest features (jots and tittles). In Aramaic square script the Jot is the smallest letter so this makes sense. There are also letters that look near identical except for the smallest addition of a tittle. Jots and tittles are important features in Aramaic square script

In Paleo Hebrew is it not the same, and jots as a small feature is simply not true not does it make sense to highlight a jot. The scrolls of the Torah were written in Aramaic square script (because they were not the originals) but the tablets in Paleo Hebrew (because they were the originals) so in order for this expression to make sense, Christ would be referencing the scrolls of the Torah (and prophets) to which was available when he spoke it as there was a lot of tiny Jots and tittles in it.

The tittles are not a reference to ink itself, they are characteristics of a stroke. As it pertains to writing strokes are not how engraving work, they are not through strokes but through etchings. A stroke could be with a brush, pen, quill, pencil, and yes a finger could qualify. As I mention this doesn't limit God using strokes on the 10 since a finger can produces a stroke (but a chisel can't) but the audience Jesus was speaking to would relate a tittle to a stroke that you would see on a scroll (if that was ink or paint or something else I don't know)


It depends on what you ask ChatGPT. Tittles are not ink but do suggest charterisrics consistent with the Assyrian script (which was more modern and better adapted for handwriting) over Paleo Hebrew which has a primitive form, blocky and less stylistic or expressive for handwriting however it is easy to see how well it could be used on stone. Given the choice I would much rather etch paleo Hebrew in stone over modern

Conceptually Jesus wasn't highlighting the the scrolls or the 10 uniquely even if the imagery would lend itself to the scrolls. It's an expression he uses to put value on the entire law which would contrast how the pharaisees would teach and emphasize aspects, even adding to it but fail to obverse other parts like how Jesus calls them out in Mat 15. Mat 15 is more pointed but this expression in Mat 5 has similar value calling out pharisaical hypocrisy as he was clearly addressing who "teaches others accordingly". In our western abstract minds this mean everyone, but in Christ's day it would carry a more weighty direction to those who held teaching offices.

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CLEEB said:

You are correct. T

The spirit of GOD in true Christians enables in us a change of nature, we partake of the divine nature that doesn’t need to be commanded but is motivated by GODS love in us. Love fulfills law. The Ten Commandments will pass away when heaven and Earth pass away, Revelation 21:1 the Ten Commandments are not for a converted righteous man but for carnal unconverted sinners . Jesus paid the penalty for our breaking the Ten Commandments, once , he will not die for you again if you go back to them again.

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• Psalm 111:7-8: "The works of His hands are verity and judgment; all His commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever".
• Psalm 119:44: "So shall I keep Your law continually, forever and ever".
• Psalm 119:89: "Your eternal word, O LORD, stands firm in heaven".