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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

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However, Mount Zion has always represented rulership - David`s and the Lord`s.
What’s the point though? Did you read the link? The new Jerusalem is Gods people in the here and now on earth. Suffering and then triumphant on earth.
 
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I agree with a lot that you write, but this all started with the appearance of the Messiah 2000 years ago. This work has been ongoing since the earthly ministry of Christ and will continue till the second coming. This is not merely a future event. Yes, God can move in a dramatic way among physical israelites today (to whatever degree), but His focus is the nations today (including Israel) and will continue until His climactic return.
The whole thing is a process that started way before Christ came. The only reason I mention the future is because that is where the process is leading us.
However, I don’t hold to any traditions of a second advent and especially when it involves a physical kingdom on earth.
 
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The whole thing is a process that started way before Christ came. The only reason I mention the future is because that is where the process is leading us.
However, I don’t hold to any traditions of a second advent and especially when it involves a physical kingdom on earth.
You do not believe in a literal physical visible future return of Christ?
 
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I do believe in the literal- physical; coming, past present and future of the Lord. I do not believe in the traditions of men about second advent heralding the end of the world as we know it.
 
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What’s the point though? Did you read the link? The new Jerusalem is Gods people in the here and now on earth. Suffering and then triumphant on earth.
The Body of Christ is never called the New Jerusalem and it is not our inheritance but for the OT saints. (Heb. 11: 16)

Our inheritance in on the Lord`s own throne in the highest. (Rev. 3: 21)
 
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