The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

I think Jesus would be more horrified about what Conservative Christian wanted in the White house. LGBTQ is a million plus better, than what was put in the White house.

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Jesus is not a respector of persons. Jesus wouldn't be anymore horrified about Trump than he would be about Biden or tge lgbtq advocates. Jesus knew we are all condemned. And he would welcome anyone, including Trump, Biden or LGBt individuals into his kingdom if they repented and recognized him as Lord.

But he said most wouldnt because they loved the darkness rather than the light. That includes all of the above who don't repent.

GoldenBoy89 said:

And yet in his time on earth he never spoke out against them at all.

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Not specifically, but it's covered under "porneia" which He did speak out against.

Vambram said:

Uncovered docs show top teachers union guiding gender transitions, bashing conservatives: 'Insane asylum'

Defending Education obtained documents showing one of the nation's top teachers unions training members on far-left gender identity postures while criticizing conservatives.

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The progressive left wing liberals really do want to indoctrinate your children against what parents believe.

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Let the invisible hand of the free market of ideas play itself out.

Maria Billingsley said:

As Christians we should exercise compassionate understanding towards those who are marginalized, misunderstood, or struggling with the immense complexities of identity and life.

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Yeah, but here we are.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

This increase raises questions: Is it because society has become more accepting,

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Yes.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

are people now being encouraged to examine these feelings more openly and be what they feel they should be.

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Also yes.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Gender identity is clinically diagnosed as gender dysphoria.

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No it’s gender identity disorder. And it’s not the same as depression. But the way people are mistreated by their community can cause depression and suicidal behaviour.

Well done the community. Maybe it is the community with the problem acting in a way that causes suicidal behaviour.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Why, then, do we now encourage individuals diagnosed with gender dysphoria to change their gender if it brings them happiness?

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This get’s to the heart of the matter. The perception that there is an agenda for change. An agenda is not the same as an option.

It's indoctrination disguised as empathy lessons.

rjs330 said:

Jesus spoke out against all sin. He just didn't list them all. Did he need to?

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He could have said something about diddling kids, though. Might have been a thought.

rjs330 said:

Jesus would tell them to repent and believe.

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Who to repent? Those who have no problem casting the first stone? Or those who have a condition that may be out of their control and who need "The Physician" to heal them? If the Sheep decide to slander the harvest, there is no one to do His will.
Think about it.

Matthew 9:37-38
Then He said to His disciples, “The harvest truly is plentiful, but the laborers are few. Therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest.”

And what is a laborer to do?

Matthew 28:19-20
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

And what did He command the laborers to do?

* Love God with all your heart, soul and mind.
* Love your neighbor as self.
* Repent and believe.
* Deny self, follow Me.
* Forgive others always.
* Do not judge.
* Seek Kingdom first.
* Abide in Me.
* Be a servant.

Be blessed.

rambot said:

We do it "That way" because doctors job's are to treat illnesses and to keep people alive. Doctor's have discovered that treating gender disphoria gets the best results (least deaths, better mental health outcomes).

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This is categorically untrue. People who "transition" are actually more likely to commit suicide and more likely to have more mental health issues post "transition".

Here's the real issue:
Person for various reasons has extreme discomfort with the body they are born in. There's a high component of sexual abuse in the LGBTQ++ community in general. (Not everyone who identifies in this community; but the stats are pretty high.) There's a high degree of domestic violence in this community. (Again not everyone but stats do show higher rates of partner violence in homosexual couples.) Higher rates of depression, anxiety and suicidal ideations, attempts and "successful" suicides are also prevalent in LGBTQ++ populations.

And stats show that these psychological struggles remain high even in "LGBTQ++ friendly societies"!

Biological females who seek to pass as male, most have different psychological reasons for their gender dysphoria then biological males wishing to pass as female. One research stat I saw for sexual abuse in biological female trans individuals is close to 85%. That's really high. I think this is the highest of any subgroup in society. Interestingly though, the only stat I could find for biological males wishing to present as females, having been sexually abused as children was 17% (lower than the stat for homosexual men). This is an interesting stat when we get down into the prevailing psychological reasons for why biological males want to present as female.

The most recent stat for sexual abuse in the general population is 25% (1 in 4) of females before 18 years old have experienced some form of sexual violation. Some researchers say it's just as high for biological males (also prior to 18 years old); but others say stats for males is 14% (1 in 7) have been sexually abused as children.

Current stat for homosexual men having been sexually abused as children is 35%
Most recent stat I'd found for lesbians having been sexually abused as children is 50%

Highest risk of males being sexually assaulted is while in prison. 2nd is while in the military.
Highest risk of females being sexually assaulted (outside of something like being abducted or being a prisoner of war) is college campuses.

Now, biological females looking to present as male; the prevailing psychological reasons are generally related to body discomfort, body hatred, fear of men (or fear of continued sexual violence) coupled with a temperament / personality that isn't particularly conforming to society definitions of sex roles or meanings of "masculine" or "feminine".

For biological males wishing to pass as female though; the majority of their prevailing psychological reasons is a condition called autogynephilia. (They are sexually aroused by the thought of themselves as the perfect woman. Thus they seek surgery to turn themselves into their own ideal of "womanhood".) Autogynephilia in the psychological literature falls under "sexual fetish" category. Autogynephilia hasn't been formally studied since the late 80's but the last researcher who did research male to female transgenderism cited 90% of "late onset" male trans treatment seekers he classified as having autogynephilia. He was a psychologist who worked with these men in the 70's and 80's.

Next we have the category of prepubescent children with gender dysphoria. If left "alone" (though treated for things like depression, anxiety etc.) 85% of them, by the time they are 18, come to identify as their birth sex. This stat changes though when adults tell these children that they are really boys born in girls bodies or vice versa.

Now.... current gender dysphoria treatment model?

What is the real message when we tell people with gender dysphoria that they are "in the wrong body" and the only way to fix their psychological distress is to interfere with their natural biological / sexual development, make them life long customers of big pharma and charge them thousands of dollars to remove healthy body parts, effectively making them sterile and for the most part remove their natural ability to understand and experience what sex actually is. Transgender surgery does not produce sexually functional people.

Basically the message is:
"You are defective from conception." And the treatment being based in a lie that says "we can make you the opposite sex" will never psychologically square that circle. (In this treatment model; the patient can never psychologically reconcile their feelings with their binary biological reality.) And the result is that there is actually greater distress (more anxiety, more depression and more suicide attempts and completions) post transition than prior.

And that is bogus science! It violates the Hypocritic oath that says: "First do no harm."
(Certainly a "treatment option" that should never be offered to children!)

And now.... the lawsuits of people who were "transitioned" as children and teenagers have so hit the medical system in Europe that most of the rest of the world (outside the US and Canada) has already shut down the "gender clinics" for children.

Harvard tried sex change surgeries in the 60's and they were a dismal failure then! So much so that they stopped doing them; because the men (primarily middle aged biological males who were seeking the surgeries) were more distressed, more depressed and more likely to commit suicide than prior to the surgeries. (Same outcome we're seeing now!)

Transition surgeries do not change the psychological issues that caused the gender dysphoria to begin with!

Which, in the context of a Christian world view raises the "What would Jesus do" question!

The true theological answer is "Repent and believe the gospel" Although this certainly isn't a "simple" answer for people who've gone far down these roads into this deception. Of course coupled with all the psychological issues and traumatic life experiences that brought them there in the first place. To "turn from one's sin" in these contexts will require professional and compassionate counseling. Assistance that's rooted in truth and the message of mercy for wounded people who've been affected both by their own sin, as well as the sin of others.

He rules the universe; yet hears the humble cries; bringing comfort to the broken heart.
The power of His word can split the earth and sky; yet mend the lives that sin has torn apart!

Yes, repentance is a difficult process for most people. But when Christ said "pick up your cross and follow me"; the implication being: This will cost you something.

Maria Billingsley said:

The question is ..... what would Jesus Christ of Nazareth do?

Here is helpful hint:

"For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."

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Undoubtedly, Jesus would show compassion toward everyone. He would invite them by saying, "Come to me; I will give you eternal life." Likewise, Jesus would expect his followers to emulate this approach and extend compassion to others.

However, the question I will ask you; if someone from the LGBTQ community accepts the "living water" that Jesus offers through his mercy, will they return to their previous lifestyle? If so, can we truly say they are Christians or have received Jesus's mercy? As someone who is a sinner saved by grace, I wonder—if I revert to my old ways, am I genuinely a follower of Christ?

This question is often raised among Christians: "What would Jesus do?" The consensus is that Jesus would respond, "Come to me; I offer eternal life."

But you know what comes next ? Jesus would say “ Go and sin no more”.

Larniavc said:

He could have said something about diddling kids, though. Might have been a thought

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He did.

Maria Billingsley said:

Who to repent? Those who have no problem casting the first stone? Or those who have a condition that may be out of their control and who need "The Physician" to heal them? If the Sheep decide to slander the harvest, there is no one to do His will.
Think about it.

Matthew 9:37-38
Then He said to His disciples, “The harvest truly is plentiful, but the laborers are few. Therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest.”

And what is a laborer to do?

Matthew 28:19-20
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

And what did He command the laborers to do?

* Love God with all your heart, soul and mind.
* Love your neighbor as self.
* Repent and believe.
* Deny self, follow Me.
* Forgive others always.
* Do not judge.
* Seek Kingdom first.
* Abide in Me.
* Be a servant.

Be blessed.

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See, you didnt need me to tell you. You said it yourself. Repent and believe. He also said to judge with righteous judgement.
Go and sin no more
He that doesn't evil hates the light neither comes to the light lest rheir deeds be reproved.
Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand
He said he came to call sinners to repentance.

By the way thats everyone, not just lg people.

Calling people to repentance IS loving your neighbor. Preaching and calling people to repentance absolutely does NOT mean you are not doing the other things in your list. Its a part of doing the things you listed.

I don't want to make this a transgender thread. But I absolutely believe those that think they are rhe opposite sex are ill. They are not sinning in believing that. They are ill. Just like any other mental illness.

There are others that are not really trans, they just have a sexual fetish or autogynaphelia which isn't being actually trans. Thats a different story.

I have real compassion for those that are ill and suffering mentally. Thats why we should leave kids alone because their brains are not developed and many of them are suffering with other mental health issues that they grow out of if left alone. We should have real compassion for kids and harming them further with drugs and surgeries is not compassion or love.

Fervent said:

Not specifically, but it's covered under "porneia" which He did speak out against.

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How would the T be covered by "porneia", or did you only mean the others? I recognize that the A was not part of what you answered, but do you believe that would also be covered by "porneia", if so how? I'm not even sure the Q would be covered, I guess it would depend if the person using it means in a sexual way rather than a identity marker.

Stopped_lurking said:

How would the T be covered by "porneia", or did you only mean the others? I recognize that the A was not part of what you answered, but do you believe that would also be covered by "porneia", if so how? I'm not even sure the Q would be covered, I guess it would depend if the person using it means in a sexual way rather than a identity marker.

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Sexual immorality applies to gender norms as well as directly sexual activity. The T is covered because it is a perversion for men to masquerade as women or women to masquerade as men.

A probably wouldn't be covered, and in many cases would be encouraged. Q depends on how we understand it, though it likely would fall under the whole 'male and female He made them" issue regarding sexual morals.

Fervent said:

Sexual immorality applies to gender norms as well as directly sexual activity. The T is covered because it is a perversion for men to masquerade as women or women to masquerade as men.

A probably wouldn't be covered, and in many cases would be encouraged. Q depends on how we understand it, though it likely would fall under the whole 'male and female He made them" issue regarding sexual morals.

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Ok, I guess that is one view. What about different kinds of non-binary identities? I guess those who feel genderfluid would sometimes "masquerade" (I don't think this word really describes what trans people feel they do) as something they are not according to you, but agender individuals would they be problematic?

Also a natural question would of course be; what are the gender norms for each gender? Outside of procreation we find people of both genders doing every human activity.

Stopped_lurking said:

Ok, I guess that is one view. What about different kinds of non-binary identities? I guess those who feel genderfluid would sometimes "masquerade" (I don't think this word really describes what trans people feel they do) as something they are not according to you, but agender individuals would they be problematic?

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I am aware trans people don't feel they are simply masquerading, but all they can change is appearances and not biological facts. Androgyny is just another way of creating confusion, so yes it is also problematic.

Stopped_lurking said:

Also a natural question would of course be; what are the gender norms for each gender? Outside of procreation we find people of both genders doing every human activity.

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This is somewhat culturally dependent, but if there weren't clearly "feminine" and "masculine" presentations there would be no grounds for transgenderism in the first place.