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All you have confirmed is an inability to read and comprehend.
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I never said there were any tests. I said the theorectic simulations were enough to warrant further testing and base new tech on. There were real science from the research that warrants further investigation and not dismissing.
So why should I believe your opinion over the scientific write up lol. It seems all the so called "scientific write ups" are saying the same thing. Coming to the same conclusion as myself. The write up actually quotes the researchers.
So how is this not advanced knowledge. They are learning from the ancient Egyptian structures and methods to generate such waves and energy sources. Surely the structure, its location and the specifiuc way its build with certain stones was not just luck in producing such results.
Ah peer review, peer review. Everything has to be peer reviewed. At least its a scientific paper. You are dismissing it without any peer review or even any scientific published article. Your doing exactly what I was pointing out was double standard.
I think I may have linked this to show that the tech is possible. That research has shown that granite can be weakened by Piezoelectric Excitation. Along similar lines to the other research and tests showing Piezoelectric Phenomena and effects.
Show me the peer review that states there is no connection.
According to the findings they clearly state that there was human intervention.
Yes there was. The hypothesis was.
Near impossible. The magnetic moments happen as the stones are orientated. So natural stones from quarry to placement will undergo random orientations. Whereas the cast blocks being cast in situ will only have paralell orientation N to S as they have only been orientation in one position.
Thats 7 out of 7 which makes the odds atronomically high that all these blocks just happen to remain paralelle throughout the entire process from quarry to positioning. If they were chiselled and cut and hauled up the pyramid they are going to have random magnetic moments.
To apply the same standard you apply to me. The skeptics demans peer review and still reject it. They demand scientific evidence from formal sources with credible scientists.
Yes just like the idea of giant ramps and wooden sleds or cutting millions of blocks with chisels and copper saws. Why is it that the orthodoxy is accepted out of hand when its also spectulation. At least the idea of hydro lifting is more aligned to a realistic explanation and that the Egyptians were smarter than just using sheer human power.
Theres enough evidence to say it was likely. Thats why I always go back to the images. I have shown you observation evidence of softened stone already and its been dismissed. This image is one of the actual blocks on the casing and you can see how it was soft.
Well the Romans were attributed with create cement. So this like other discoveries pushes back the timeline. But the research results seem to say that this was not just any old cement but one thats eco friendly and lasts longer than any other cement.
Yes so I am saying that there was much more of a purpose for what they built than given credit for. The same principle but just more of it and more advanced than thought.
Lol its like they never resisted the idea and when it shows their orthodoxy wrong they pretend thats how science works. As though science never has a paradigm change. I think like all sciences this is exactly what is happening.
Perhaps its the other way around. Refer to my last post and the evidence from several independent sources.All you have confirmed is an inability to read and comprehend.
There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History
lol I forgot there are certain trigger words. Like a word suddenly is what makes reality. Just mention the word and it all reality becomes the word. Like the word has magic powers. Not about "trigger words" its about you sloppy writing. If you don't mean "new age sprituality" don't use the term...
Did I not explain in another post this so called reconstituted limestone is due to the effect of the Giza water table changing the geochemistry of limestone at and near the surface.
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Yes, you did I quoted you in the post that you quoted. Here it is again:
Popular scientific write-up, there is no actual new test performed, you should read the article.
We have no reason to believe that any electromagnetic considerations was part of the egyptians purpose. It has not been experimentally verified to even be a real thing (how do you believe all the boundary layers between the blocks would affect the antenna performance?).
The simulation did not touch on generating any energy, the electric and magnetic field sources in the calculation was external to the pyramid.
What impact did the stones have then if you have read it (they assumed normal limestone)? If they had used other stones in Egypt how would that change the results? How did the location influence the simulation? Did they have any data on the permittivity of the substrate in their calculations?
No, peer-review is part of the modern scientific process.
I'm not dismissing anything, but your supposed peer-reviewed papers (which no longer are peer-reviewed) don't support your claims.
No, peer-review is part of the modern scientific process.
Does it even exist? Who has measured it?
Piezoelectrics are well-known, what do they have to do with the pyramids in Giza that is the question.
Piezoelectrics are well-known, what do they have to do with the pyramids in Giza that is the question.
So link that peer-reviewed article then? What natural phenomena are we talking about here, what do you believe was the source of the radio waves? Or vibrations for piezoelectric power generation?
So link that peer-reviewed article then?
Normally, if you claim it you show it. I'm ok with uncertainties regarding the pyramids.
"The NMR results suggest..." What does suggest mean?
The magnetic moments are not perfect north-south, actually from the pictures they have enough east-west spread so some kind of statistical test would be appropriate to determine if they are semi-aligned by chance alone.
So what was the p-value then?
See above. Read it there was not 7 blocks that showed that pattern.
How is this picture evidence that it was soft?But when you add the other tests that show the makeup of the stones are manmade and contain artificial minerals and chemistry in them it makes a strong case.
The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids
The tiniest structures within the inner and outer casing stones were indeed consistent with a reconstituted limestone. The cement binding the limestone aggregate was either silicon dioxide (the building block of quartz) or a calcium and magnesium-rich silicate mineral.
The sample chemistries the researchers found do not exist anywhere in nature. "Therefore," says Barsoum, "it's very improbable that the outer and inner casing stones that we examined were chiseled from a natural limestone block."
The presence of silicon dioxide nanoscale spheres (with diameters only billionths of a meter across) in one of the samples. This discovery further confirms that these blocks are not natural limestone.
Ancient Egyptians were the original--albeit unknowing--nanotechnologists." "Ironically," says Barsoum, "this study of 4,500 year old rocks is not about the past, but about the future."
The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids
In other words just like we are learning from the Piezoelectric effects of the pyramids and applying this to new tech. The same with the geopolymer cement the early Egyptians created which is natural and environmental. They are teaching us how to manipulate nature from 4,500 years ago or longer.
Gathering 'concrete' evidence
The binder, known as a geopolymer, could have been made from lime, kaolinite (a kind of clay), a fine silica (such as diatomaceous earth) and natron (sodium carbonate). The same ingredients were used by the Egyptians to make self-glazing pottery ornaments, a material called Egyptian faience, and well known to archeologists.
Gathering 'concrete' evidence
MIT class explores controversial pyramid theory with scale modelnews.mit.edu
To apply the same standard you apply to me. The skeptics demans peer review and still reject it. They demand scientific evidence from formal sources with credible scientists.
Just saying you disagree meets none of those standards that have been demanded of me. I have several independent sources from either peer review or scientific sources with published papers, reposts and commentary on those papers and reports. You have a personal opinion on a social media site.
Yes just like the idea of giant ramps and wooden sleds or cutting millions of blocks with chisels and copper saws. Why is it that the orthodoxy is accepted out of hand when its also spectulation. At least the idea of hydro lifting is more aligned to a realistic explanation and that the Egyptians were smarter than just using sheer human power.
Theres enough evidence to say it was likely. Thats why I always go back to the images. I have shown you observation evidence of softened stone already and its been dismissed. This image is one of the actual blocks on the casing and you can see how it was soft.
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How much more evidence do you want.
Lime based cement yes, but there was other plasters around.
Fine, but @sjastro have a competing hypothesis, so I'll let the archaeologist and the geophysicists work this on out before I'll draw any firm conclusions.
Why would we think that?
So how many refused articles have the proponents sent to the journals? Any? Are their refusal rate higher than others? Otherwise it is just them complaining.
Once again this fixation on words and their meaning as creating the entire meaning of what someone says. Look at the word in its context. I stated this testing supported further testing which was the onsite tests.
Ok so I will apply the same logic to your claim. You objection holds not weight as its just a popular comment on a social media thread. I would rather believe the popular scientfic write-up than someones personal opinion on a social media thread.
I don't know, isnt that what the tests are for. The fact is they have found good theorectical reasons to do further tests. There have been a number of theorectical studies that tell us there is good reason.
But there was also actual tests done in the pyramids that show that it concentrated energy into the chambers. Its no longer theorectical.
The made a couple of assumptions and all science does. They did not just assume limestone. They also accounted for the pink granite in the chambers and shafts.
Not that particular research but other research has establish the influence of the location on potential advanced knowledge of nature.
Why is it that skeptics are so eaher to minimise everything. They did way more than just test its shape. They were able tyo get new tech from it that can have real world effects.
Its become a a tool to deny scientific ideas that don't conform to the orthodoxy in some cases. Some ideas don't even get through the front door. They are deemed unreal before peer review. Some non peer review science has shown peer review as wrong.
But you do so without the same standards you demand of those proposing alternative ideas. You demand of them peer review while claiming them wrong wroung without peer review. Its double standards.
First the high Piezoelectric effect in granite has already been verified. So its logical that a concentration of granite in the chambers is going to cause a higher Piezoelectric effect. From memory the shafts were also granite. Its whether they knew this and made it so to concentrate the effect in the chambers. .
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Thats what all the articles on the Piezoelectric effects of the pyramids are trying to find out.
Not sure if we are at the peer review stage yet. Still there is good science behind the idea.
Yes and when I show it its dismissed without the same level of peer review.
Here we go with word meanings. So if I find a word that means 'assurity' rather than suggest then logically that would mean the findings are definite.
So more tests need to be done rather than dismiss it as conspiracy or psuedoscience.
I don't know. I think you would need way more stones tested to gather enough data to determine this.
Can you see the lip at the bottom as though the soft mixture spread into a gap between the blocks. This was not the result of grinding the block away to create a protruding lip. We see much evidence of this signature. I have linked them earlier. Why is it now you only recognise them.
Yes an advanced cement that is revealing an advanced tech that we are recognising 4,500 years later. The advanced knowledge keeps getting pushed back earlier and earlier.
Thats ok but like I said a social media platform is not a good place to make the case and especially make claims about existing peer review or even scientific reports or research that has been published. At least these make full article with the process linked out and tests done. I have not seen this yet and if I do then I will include it.
Because of the accumulation of data pointing that way. At the very least to do further investigation. You have to remember that these ideas and findings have only come in the past decade or so because the tech has improved. We are really only beginning to understand the level of knowledge and tech involved with the ancient Egyptians.
It depends. As shown there are a few in mainstream journals. There are a fair few Russian journals lol. But there are a fair few good scientfific papers that are not yet peer reviewed. But as a total I don;t think there are many articles done full stop. I don't think many have even been submitted at all.
But the pyramids are extra special. They have some mean acoustics. But also the whole setup within an electromagnetically active location. It all seems to add up to a combination of factors that are being utilised to generate Piezoelectric effects.
Yes thats why I say its the combination of the location of the pyramids within a high electromagentic region and the specific layout of shafts, vents and chambers in granite and the different stones to concentrate the energy. The particular exterior of high reflective stone, the Gold plated cap stone. The subterrainian water ways with righ minerals conducive of quartz crystals. Its the specific combination of these factors.
I mean all your doing is giving your personnal take on this.
Thats only if you assume each pyramid was used for the same purpose. Or that one was not an improvement on the other as part of an experiment to perfect the best energy creation.
I don't know. Do a paper on it. It may be each pyramid had a different function or Khufu’s pyramid was an upgrade.
Then write a paper on this. It seems you can make these claims as though they are fact. All I know is the more data we get the more we will understand. I don't think each pyramid was designed as a tomb and for the same purposes. But each is designed for a purpose beyond the tomb. Its silly to think a massive structure is just for a tomb. Or that one pharoah needs three tombs.
Popular scientific write-ups, are attempts to make the original article approachable to the general public, I can read the actual article why should I care about the popular version.
May have been...
So link the experimentally verified results when they are done then.
I'm perfectly fine with anybody doing experiments. What gave you the idea that I would find that troublesome? I want them to publish thier results in scientific journals.
It refers back to the same 2018 simulation study, this is why you shouldn't take scientific reporting from the Daily Mail.
Link that article then.
Flat out wrong. In the simulation study about electromagnetic waves they didn't.
Don't mix up those who are talking about piezoelectric effects with the electromagnetic waves.
Do you have an maps showing areas with "high electromagnetic"?
This is about the proposed plaster, why would you refer to it in this context about electromagnetic properties on the macroscale?
Relevant how?
Link the journal article instead if you got it.
Read the article. Antenna construction is interesting but there was nothing new learnt about it from that study, how do you think they have constructed the program calculating the effects on the electromagnetic field?
If that is true then it usually gets picked up sooner or later.
No, your claim. You prove it.
Higher than what? Limestone? Limestone was assumed in the of the radiowave calculation. They didn't use granite in their calculations.
Granite was not modeled in the calculations.
Yes, this known but it has zero to do with the pyramids.
Now your mixing electromagnetic and piezoelectric again. This is just another simulation of the pyramids as antennas for electromagnetic waves. They also model the pyramid as a single monolith (they don't even use any chambers)Electromagnetic Properties of Pyramids from Positions of Photonics
Electromagnetic Properties of Pyramids from Positions of Photonics - Russian Physics Journal
The choice of the operating wavelength of electromagnetic radiation is justified for a pyramid considered as an antenna. It is shown that due to the strong dispersion of the refractive index of the pyramid material, there will always be a part of the spectral range, in which the refractive index...
Now your mixing electromagnetic and piezoelectric again. This is the same article we have been discussing for a couple of posts now.
And the articles actually studied the piezoelectric properties of the pyramids? Who has actually measured the electric power generated by the pyramids?
There is no original research in this article, it is at best a speculative review.
I'm critical about your claims. If you are critical about someone else's claims ask them for corroborating evidence.
... were indeed consistent with with a reconstituted limestone.
... indicates the Egyptians used...
I just point out that the peer-reviewed articles don't support your claims (some times even your claims about the articles themselves, such as that the permittivity of anything but limestone was used in the calculations).
There was no (statistical) hypothesis testing. So they can't say how likely or unlikely the observed patterns were. Which makes your claim of near impossible nonsense.
What do you believe that I am recognizing? What are you talking about? Why can't that be remains of abrasive cut?
It is not even clear that the best explanation is reconstituted limestone yet.
I'm perfectly fine with people investigating what ever interests them, but I want the rigour of the scientific process to be used and that includes peer-review.
So why do you claim that they are unfairly refused then? If you don't have any data.
Time will tell.
Once again your lack of comprehension skills and wilful ignorance comes to the fore.
Since Khafre’s pyramid does not have any interior chambers, it would behave differently to Khufu’s Great Pyramid.
Piezoelectric effects come from the crystal structure. The effects can't be added or concentrated unless the crystals were aligned and connected electrically. Granite is filled with crystals of random orientation. The piezoelectric effects can't be "concentrated".
Rocks are make of minerals Steve.
Which was a silly thing to say. I'm not even sure who said this or in what context, but there are two possibilities given the long conversation we've had with you.
