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Members of Congress, comprised of former US Military and Intelligence officers, released a video this week reminding members of the military that they can, and in fact, have an obligation to disobey illegal orders.


Today, on Truthsocial, the POTUS reacted:

“It’s called SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “Each one of these traitors to our Country should be ARRESTED AND PUT ON TRIAL. Their words cannot be allowed to stand.”

...later he posted:

“SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR, punishable by DEATH!”
He also reposted a post from a Truth Social user proclaiming: “HANG THEM GEORGE WASHINGTON WOULD !!”



To be clear. Our military serves the U.S. Constitution - not the President of the United Sates. The UCMJ clearly indicates military members are to obey lawful orders. Should the President issue an illegal order, military members may disobey the order.
 

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Politicians should be very careful when calling for the death of other politicians.

If they cant do that, it calls into question their suitability for office.
 
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Members of Congress, comprised of former US Military and Intelligence officers, released a video this week reminding members of the military that they can, and in fact, have an obligation to disobey illegal orders.


Today, on Truthsocial, the POTUS reacted:

“It’s called SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “Each one of these traitors to our Country should be ARRESTED AND PUT ON TRIAL. Their words cannot be allowed to stand.”

...later he posted:

“SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR, punishable by DEATH!”
He also reposted a post from a Truth Social user proclaiming: “HANG THEM GEORGE WASHINGTON WOULD !!”



To be clear. Our military serves the U.S. Constitution - not the President of the United Sates. The UCMJ clearly indicates military members are to obey lawful orders. Should the President issue an illegal order, military members may disobey the order.
President Trump has never issued an illegal order to the military.
 
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What illegal orders?

Or is it yet another gratuitous post from the left. Just the suggestion of impropriety is enough to get the juices flowing.
 
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Should the President issue an illegal order, military members may disobey the order.
Has he?

If not - what is the purpose of the video?
 
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Is it even possible?

You can legally set a guilty criminal free or legally pass a death sentence to an innocent person.

You can also legally commit atrocities.

If you're asking if everything is possible legally, the answer is YES.

If you're an evil person wanting to do evil and you have lots of money/influence, you don't have to do things illegally to get what you want.
 
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What illegal orders?

Do multiple violations of the Posse Comitatus Act count?

"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both"


Or deployment of National Guard in violation of the terms of 10 U.S.C. § 12406 ?

Whenever--

(1) the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;
(2) there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or
(3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;
the President may call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws. Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia.

 
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