The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

SabbathBlessings said:

In order to make the argument on the rich young ruler that no one can keep the law therefore why bother or we don't need to, you would actually need a verse for this.

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This is weird - the idea never entered my head - your attempt to second guess my position was quite wrong.

HIM said:

Saying doesn’t Make it true.
It is kind of like saying nothing really.
Maybe explain why you think this rather say what you said?

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I am sure other readers understand exactly what I said.

Carl Emerson said:

I am sure other readers understand exactly what I said.

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Readers? lol... The only thing understood is, you did not address the points she made. You insulted her without proving anything.

Carl Emerson said:

This is weird - the idea never entered my head - your attempt to second guess my position was quite wrong.

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But obeying Laws is not enough - Jesus said that to the rich young ruler.

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Ok, I looked back at your post, you said Jesus said keeping the commandments was not enough. Jesus never said this. Do you think Jesus did not know what the heart of the issue was for this young ruler? He had great possessions. Jesus got right to the heart of this rulers problem and told Him to sell what he had and follow Him. What is the first commandment?

Exo 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

So if this rich young ruler was keeping the commandments as you claimed he was, if he did not value his great possessions over following Jesus- wouldn't he have not done just that? In him doing so, it clearly shows he was not keeping the commandments on love to God. The commandments never came in a unit of pick the ones we like, or the Ten suggestions.

No where does this passage Jesus say obeying Laws is not enough. He said plainly if you want to enter into life- Keep the commandments

Mat 19:17 But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Jesus never said otherwise. I personally would not add whats not there, especially when its Jesus speaking.

SabbathBlessings said:

Ok, I looked back at your post, you said Jesus said keeping the commandments was not enough. Jesus never said this.

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21 And he said, “All these I have kept from my youth.”
22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

Carl Emerson said:

21 And he said, “All these I have kept from my youth.”
22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

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Where did Jesus say keeping the commandments was not enough in these verses? The commandments the rich young ruler said he kept were not the commandments about loving God. Which is why I beleive Jesus was testing him over.

Are you saying Jesus was indicating we don't have to keep the commandments on how we love God and can break the verse first commandment, the same one this young ruler broke when he choose his great riches over Jesus?

He even indicated he went away sad because he had great possessions. To me this just shows, we can still mean to want to love God and want to follow Him, but on our own terms, putting our will over God's I do not beleive is going to work out any different. He wasn't a follower of God, He went away, Jesus never stopped him either. Sounds a lot like what Jesus said plainly in Mat7:21-23

This is not an example of Jesus saying keeping the commandments is not enough, the rich ruler wasn't keeping them all, just the ones he wanted. Jesus plainly stated, if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments Mat19:17 Its up to us if we choose to believe His plain teachings or not.