The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

[Carl Emerson]

In order to make the argument on the rich young ruler that no one can keep the law therefore why bother or we don't need to, you would actually need a verse for this.

This is weird - the idea never entered my head - your attempt to second guess my position was quite wrong.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Saying doesn’t Make it true.
It is kind of like saying nothing really.
Maybe explain why you think this rather say what you said?

I am sure other readers understand exactly what I said.

 

[HIM]

I am sure other readers understand exactly what I said.

Readers? lol... The only thing understood is, you did not address the points she made. You insulted her without proving anything.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is weird - the idea never entered my head - your attempt to second guess my position was quite wrong.

But obeying Laws is not enough - Jesus said that to the rich young ruler.

Ok, I looked back at your post, you said Jesus said keeping the commandments was not enough. Jesus never said this. Do you think Jesus did not know what the heart of the issue was for this young ruler? He had great possessions. Jesus got right to the heart of this rulers problem and told Him to sell what he had and follow Him. What is the first commandment?

Exo 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

So if this rich young ruler was keeping the commandments as you claimed he was, if he did not value his great possessions over following Jesus- wouldn't he have not done just that? In him doing so, it clearly shows he was not keeping the commandments on love to God. The commandments never came in a unit of pick the ones we like, or the Ten suggestions.

No where does this passage Jesus say obeying Laws is not enough. He said plainly if you want to enter into life- Keep the commandments

Mat 19:17 But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Jesus never said otherwise. I personally would not add whats not there, especially when its Jesus speaking.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Ok, I looked back at your post, you said Jesus said keeping the commandments was not enough. Jesus never said this.

21 And he said, “All these I have kept from my youth.”
22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

 

[SabbathBlessings]

21 And he said, “All these I have kept from my youth.”
22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

Where did Jesus say keeping the commandments was not enough in these verses? The commandments the rich young ruler said he kept were not the commandments about loving God. Which is why I beleive Jesus was testing him over.

Are you saying Jesus was indicating we don't have to keep the commandments on how we love God and can break the verse first commandment, the same one this young ruler broke when he choose his great riches over Jesus?

He even indicated he went away sad because he had great possessions. To me this just shows, we can still mean to want to love God and want to follow Him, but on our own terms, putting our will over God's I do not beleive is going to work out any different. He wasn't a follower of God, He went away, Jesus never stopped him either. Sounds a lot like what Jesus said plainly in Mat7:21-23

This is not an example of Jesus saying keeping the commandments is not enough, the rich ruler wasn't keeping them all, just the ones he wanted. Jesus plainly stated, if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments Mat19:17 Its up to us if we choose to believe His plain teachings or not.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Where did Jesus say keeping the commandments was not enough in these verses? The commandments the rich young ruler said he kept were not the commandments about loving God. Which is why I beleive Jesus was testing him over.

Are you saying Jesus was indicating we don't have to keep the commandments on how we love God and can break the verse first commandment, the same one this young ruler broke when he choose his great riches over Jesus?

He even indicated he went away sad because he had great possessions. To me this just shows, we can still mean to want to love God and want to follow Him, but on our own terms, putting our will over God's I do not beleive is going to work out any different. He wasn't a follower of God, He went away, Jesus never stopped him either. Sounds a lot like what Jesus said plainly in Mat7:21-23

This is not an example of Jesus saying keeping the commandments is not enough, the rich ruler wasn't keeping them all, just the ones he wanted. Jesus plainly stated, if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments Mat19:17 Its up to us if we choose to believe His plain teachings or not.

I can't and wont make you see it...

But for the readers sake... Jesus was appealing for the young man to follow Him and find salvation - not in the commandments but in personal faith in, and obedience to the Saviour Himself.

This is a journey we all need to make.

As He said though Paul -

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross...

This is the New Covenant invitation - Salvation through the Cross alone - walking in the Spirit with Him daily - this is real peace and fulfilment - walking in the better promises - filled with His Joy - joining with Him in the excitement of celebrating His Goodness and Love - being inspired and empowered to walk in His predetermined works of righteousness in faith as Abraham did - as a Child of the Promise.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I can't and wont make you see it...

But for the readers sake... Jesus was appealing for the young man to follow Him and find salvation - not in the commandments but in personal faith in, and obedience to the Saviour Himself.

This is a journey we all need to make.

As He said though Paul -

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross...

This is the New Covenant invitation - Salvation through the Cross alone - walking in the Spirit with Him daily - this is real peace and fulfilment - walking in the better promises - filled with His Joy - joining with Him in the excitement of celebrating His Goodness and Love - being inspired and empowered to walk in His predetermined works of righteousness in faith as Abraham did - as a Child of the Promise.

Why do you think only worshipping God is not following Him or finding salvation.

It seems like people are going out of their way to glorify disobedience and following Him based on ones own terms on what we feel as right or wrong, instead of just following what God said as if God made a mistake that we have to correct.

 

[Hentenza]

Why do you think only worshipping God is not following Him or finding salvation.

It seems like people are going out of their way to glorify disobedience and following Him based on ones own terms on what we feel as right or wrong, instead of just following what God said as if God made a mistake that we have to correct.

It seems that the legalists are going out of their way put the Christian back on the bondage of the law. I follow Him just fine by walking in the Spirit not by keeping a day. We are not slaves.

“All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brothers or sisters, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and preach these principles. If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭6‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

1 Timothy 6:1-3 All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their maste | New American Standard Bible - N

All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their maste

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[SabbathBlessings]

It seems that the legalists are going out of their way put the Christian back on the bondage of the law. I follow Him just fine by walking in the Spirit not by keeping a day. We are not slaves.

“All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brothers or sisters, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and preach these principles. If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭6‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

1 Timothy 6:1-3 All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their maste | New American Standard Bible - N

All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their maste

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If you think obeying the commandment to only worship God is under a "yoke of bondage" is not the way we know God 1John2:3-4

The bondage is sin, not God's law, God's laws is perfect Psa19:7 holy, just and good Rom7:12 Jesus came to save us from sin Mat1:21 which is breaking God's law, keeping God's law we are freed from sin, why its called the law of liberty James2:11-12

 

[Carl Emerson]

Why do you think only worshipping God is not following Him or finding salvation.

You are doing it again - presuming to know what I think...

And using terms like "Glorifying Disobedience"

Really !!!!!!!

Walking in the Spirit with Jesus leads to a far greater obedience than keeping the Law ever did.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You are doing it again - presuming to know what I think...

And using terms like "Glorifying Disobedience"

Really !!!!!!!

So are you saying that it wasn't breaking the first commandment to not worship other gods when the rich young ruler choose his great possessions over following Jesus?

Walking in the Spirit with Jesus leads to a far greater obedience than keeping the Law ever did.

Jesus said something a bit different.....we do not even receive the Holy Spirit abiding in us, unless we love Him and keep His commandments. We have to first want to obey Him. Why the Holy Spirit calls on us to not harden our hearts to sin, unbelief and rebellion, which are all used interchangeably Heb3:7-19

Since these verses were shown before to you and you still ended up quoting you instead, its hard to reason with one who uses their words and think its on equal footing with God's word. So I guess this will get sorted out in God's own time.

1 John3: 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
1 John2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

John 14: 15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”