Israel-Hamas Thread II

In the Arab world, men are queuing up to volunteer to fight against Israel. Those who rape, take hostages and massacre people are not defending themselves, but are criminals. No sooner has the ceasefire come into effect than Hamas begins hunting down its own people: clans, Bedouins, families who opposed them during the war. This is the true price of so-called ‘liberation’. Hamas acts like a cartel: murders to maintain power, public ‘confessions,’ executions. Back in the 1980s, Yahya Sinwar, then a prisoner, had hundreds of alleged collaborators murdered. Today, Sinwar is dead, but his system lives on.

Anti-Semitism threatens us all. Congressman Chip Roy writes in The Federalist: 'Mamdani's rise signals that the Islamic revolution is reshaping the US.' This is a major strategic victory for the Islamic world in its war against the West. Muslim activists are thrilled that the city with the largest number of Jews outside Israel, has been conquered for Islam. They directly link this to the offensive they have launched against the Jewish world over the past two years by interpreting Israel's war of self-defence against Hamas as a global mobilisation of Muslims for jihad against everything Judeo-Christian.

It is annoying to hear Trump and others in his administration dictating to Israel what it can and cannot do with Gaza and Judea and Samaria. It is understandable that Israelis feel betrayed by this, and so should every American believer who voted for Trump, at least in part because of his promise to be Israel's best friend.

Trump is treading on dangerous ground by demanding that Israel refrain from doing what is necessary for the security of its people, such as extending its sovereignty and disarming and dismantling Hamas.

Benaiah468 said:

Anti-Semitism threatens us all. Congressman Chip Roy writes in The Federalist: 'Mamdani's rise signals that the Islamic revolution is reshaping the US.' This is a major strategic victory for the Islamic world in its war against the West. Muslim activists are thrilled that the city with the largest number of Jews outside Israel, has been conquered for Islam.

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Electing a Muslim mayor is Islam conquering NYC?

lol

Benaiah468 said:

It is annoying to hear Trump and others in his administration dictating to Israel what it can and cannot do with Gaza and Judea and Samaria.

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When can we expect a refund and no more calls for military intervention? This

Benaiah468 said:

Trump is treading on dangerous ground by demanding that Israel refrain from doing what is necessary for the security of its people, such as extending its sovereignty and disarming and dismantling Hamas.

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Dangerous to whom?

Israel got a Samson option set up in DC like the soviets supposedly used to?

Desk trauma said:

Electing a Muslim mayor is Islam conquering NYC?

lol

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In the view of the right, it is really easy for one side to "take over".

It's basically enough for a couple of right wing people with flags to stand in a formation in the middle of town to "take back" New York, so this sounds like a lazyness issue.

Nithavela said:

In the view of the right, it is really easy for one side to "take over".

It's basically enough for a couple of right wing people with flags to stand in a formation in the middle of town to "take back" New York, so this sounds like a lazyness issue.

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Probably scared of getting pelted with sandwiches.

Desk trauma said:

Electing a Muslim mayor is Islam conquering NYC?

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Mamdami's rise comes at a time when parts of the Democratic Party, which were once moderate left-wing, are taking ‘pro-Palestinian’ and even anti-Zionist positions. At the same time, his' election could be a sign that anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism no longer stand in the way of a political career in the US and encourage others to follow his example. For the largest Jewish community outside Israel, this would be a disastrous development.

According to information from the Washington Post, the US government has replaced Israel as the leading authority in the distribution of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip. Responsibility, which previously lay with the Israeli Coordination and Liaison Administration for the Territories (COGAT), has been transferred to the new US military base in Kiryat Gat. It gradually has taken over operational management, including transport logistics and distribution via the Kerem Shalom and Rafah border crossings.

This decision represents a significant loss of power for Israel in terms of humanitarian control over the Gaza Strip, control that has previously been regarded as a strategic tool for preventing supplies from reaching terrorist organisations such as Hamas or "Palestinian" Islamic Jihad.

Israel's de facto disempowerment in the administration of humanitarian aid raises fundamental questions. Although Israel remains militarily sovereign, the new US structure shifts decision-making processes to an international framework in which Israeli security concerns are increasingly diluted.

From Israel's perspective, the measure is problematic: it weakens the authority of the Ministry of Defence and undermines Israel's direct responsibility towards its own citizens. There is growing concern that in future, humanitarian aid will no longer be under Israeli control to ensure that no goods fall into the hands of terrorist groups.

In addition, government officials in Jerusalem see the US takeover as a political signal that restricts Israel's international freedom of action, especially if Washington uses decisions as leverage in diplomatic negotiations in the future.

There are growing calls in the Israeli media for the government to make it clear at the diplomatic level that aid control without Israeli security checks is unacceptable.

Because one thing is certain: as long as weapons are circulating in Gaza and terrorist organisations are operating in the shadow of aid, no external actor, not even the US, can replace Israel's responsibility for its own security.

Benaiah468 said:

Mamdami's rise comes at a time when parts of the Democratic Party, which were once moderate left-wing, are taking ‘pro-Palestinian’ and even anti-Zionist positions. At the same time, his' election could be a sign that anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism no longer stand in the way of a political career in the US and encourage others to follow his example. For the largest Jewish community outside Israel, this would be a disastrous development.

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The best that has been produced so far to support the charge that the mayor elect is an antisemite is guilt by, tenuous, association. Had he ever said anything antisemitic his opposition would have been screaming it from the rooftops on a loop.

Desk trauma said:

The best that has been produced so far to support the charge that the mayor elect is an antisemite is guilt by, tenuous, association. Had he ever said anything antisemitic his opposition would have been screaming it from the rooftops on a loop.

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There was a time when liberal Iranians regarded Ayatollah Khomeini as an idealist who promised ‘social justice’ and ‘liberation from oppression’. They believed they were voting for progress. We all know how that ended.

Benaiah468 said:

There was a time when liberal Iranians regarded Ayatollah Khomeini as an idealist who promised ‘social justice’ and ‘liberation from oppression’. They believed they were voting for progress. We all know how that ended.

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Right, hangings in time square by February I’m sure.

Desk trauma said:

Right, hangings in time square by February I’m sure.

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In the words of Nelson Mandela: 'It always seems impossible until it is done.'

You can't win an unlimited war whose existence you refuse to acknowledge.

Benaiah468 said:

In the words of Nelson Mandela: 'It always seems impossible until it is done.'

You can't win an unlimited war whose existence you refuse to acknowledge.

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Adding extra layers of grandiosity doesn’t make your claims any more credible.

Desk trauma said:

Adding extra layers of grandiosity doesn’t make your claims any more credible.

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The grandiosity stems from the fact that you are thinking in terms of too short a time frame. jihad, on the other hand, thinks in terms of the long term.

Benaiah468 said:

The grandiosity stems from the fact that you are thinking in terms of too short a time frame. Islam, on the other hand, thinks in terms of the long term.

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The grandiosity is from the chicken little claims in your posts saying NYC was conquered because they elected a moderate leftist Muslim. Adding “unlimited war” whatever that is, don’t make it any more credible.

Desk trauma said:

The grandiosity is from the chicken little claims in your posts saying NYC was conquered because they elected a moderate leftist Muslim. Adding “unlimited war” whatever that is, don’t make it any more credible.

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We can speed things up. Here's what I suggest: travel to Gaza for a few weeks, to the area controlled by Hamas, and report on it. Good luck!

Benaiah468 said:

We can speed things up. Here's what I suggest: travel to Gaza for a few weeks, to the area controlled by Hamas, and report on it. Good luck!

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The overlap between Mamdami and Hamas policy being what exactly?

Desk trauma said:

The overlap between Mamdami and Hamas policy being what exactly?

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What am I talking about? The positions of the politician and the terrorist groups on Israel. Mamdami believes that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state in any territory. He does not believe in coexistence or in two states for two peoples. Both are working to annihilate Israel, one above ground and the other below ground. One is disguised as a wolf in sheep's clothing, the other embodies the face of the devil. It's like having to choose between the plague and cholera.

Jared Kushner arrived in Jerusalem last week to discuss the American plan to end the Gaza war with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Entrepreneur and US envoy Steve Witkoff is also expected to join the talks in the coming days.

Kushner's talks are part of a larger American plan to involve both Egypt and Turkey in the post-war order in Gaza, a move that is meeting with strong resistance in Israel. The talks focus on an issue that is widely rejected in Israel: the question of what to do with the approximately two hundred Hamas fighters who are still trapped in the tunnels under Rafah. While Israel insists that not a single one of them should be allowed to leave the tunnels alive, American diplomats are pushing for a ‘humanitarian solution’, a diplomatic synonym for free withdrawal.

For Israel, this position presents a dangerous political dilemma. After years of war against Hamas, thousands of casualties and the systematic destruction of the tunnel system, a ‘safe withdrawal’ for terrorists would not only be a moral contradiction, but also a setback for the country's deterrent power.

There is no humanitarian solution to terrorism. Anyone who clears the way for these people is sending a message to every terrorist organisation in the world: hide long enough and you will eventually be released.

The outcome of these talks will determine not only the future of Hamas terrorists in Rafah, but also the relationship between Jerusalem and Washington and Israel's image as a state that insists on its moral foundation despite international isolation.

The American government is pushing for a resolution in the United Nations Security Council that would establish the political framework for the post-war order in Gaza.

The draft provides for the establishment of a transitional administration in Gaza: A "Palestinian" technocratic government under the supervision of a ‘stabilisation mission structure’ (ISF), supported by Arab states such as Egypt, Jordan and the Gulf monarchies. A ‘peace commission’, under American leadership, is to monitor the political processes, while control over Gaza is to be gradually handed over to the reformed "Palestinian" Authority.

On paper, this sounds reasonable. In practice, however, it harbours risks that cut deep into the heart of Israeli security interests.

For Israel, the goal remains unchanged: Hamas must be disarmed, Gaza completely demilitarised, and any reconstruction made conditional on disarmament. But the current draft blurs precisely these lines.

The ISF is supposed to ‘ensure the process of disarmament’ without clearly defining who will actually carry out the disarmament if Hamas refuses. The document refers to ‘local police forces’ that are supposed to guarantee security in the future – a formulation that is intended to avoid the intervention of foreign troops, but in reality opens up a dangerous power vacuum.

If Hamas does not voluntarily surrender its weapons, there is a risk of a scenario that Israel knows only too well: symbolic monitoring without actual disarmament. Israeli security circles already fear that the resolution could effectively enable the reconstruction of the Hamas system – under the guise of humanitarianism.

You cannot disarm and rebuild at the same time as long as the perpetrators are still carrying weapons,‘ said a former officer in Jerusalem. ’This logic already failed after Oslo.`

What is particularly problematic is that the US draft does not provide a legal basis for a permanent Israeli security presence in Gaza. However, Israel's defence strategy is based on being able to act freely in critical situations, with preventive strikes, targeted operations and intelligence activities.

If the Security Council adopts the resolution in its current form, Israel could end up in a diplomatic straitjacket: every operation would have to be coordinated with international forces, every response would have to be agreed upon. This would effectively place the Israeli army under the authority of a multilateral supervisory body – a situation that would significantly restrict Israel's strategic freedom of movement.

Donald Trump himself emphasised in his 20-point agreement with Egypt, Qatar and Turkey in Oct that Israel must retain ‘full rights of intervention’ if its security is threatened. However, this sentence is missing from the UN version.

The American vision of an ‘Arab stabilisation corps’ sounds like a pragmatic solution: Muslim soldiers would mediate between Israel and Gaza, dismantle terrorist structures and ensure civil order. However, none of the countries approached, neither Egypt nor Jordan, has so far shown any willingness to send troops to an area that is still riddled with Hamas fighters.

If the ISF were to operate in areas that are not fully under control, it could itself become a target and Israel would still be politically responsible.

Benaiah468 said:

If the ISF were to operate in areas that are not fully under control, it could itself become a target and Israel would still be politically responsible.

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Washington thus finds itself caught between two conflicting goals: on the one hand, it wants to strengthen Israel militarily, while on the other, it wants international approval including from Russia, China, Pakistan and Algeria, which sit on the Security Council. These states will attempt to water down the resolution with amendments: demands for an Israeli withdrawal, for a ‘two-state solution’ or for UN supervision of the ISF.

For Israel, this means that any diplomatic agreement could ultimately result in a restriction of its sovereignty.

That is why Israeli diplomats are pushing behind the scenes for so-called ‘side letters’, secret additional agreements with Washington that would secure Israel's freedom of action even after a UN resolution. These letters would stipulate that Israel is permitted to intervene militarily if Hamas rearms or international forces fail.

Despite all the risks, Jerusalem recognises that the US plan also offers opportunities. Internationally legitimised demilitarisation would strengthen Israel's security position, consolidate its relations with moderate Arab states and partially end the diplomatic isolation it has experienced since the Iran war.

But these opportunities will only materialise if the resolution sets clear conditions, not if it becomes a façade for political considerations.

Israel has seen too often that the international community talks about ‘peace’ when in reality insecurity is growing. Without credible control and without the right to self-defence, Gaza will not become more stable, but only more complex.

Will Israel be recognised as a sovereign security actor or will it be relegated to a mere extra in an order constructed from outside?

Jerusalem knows that demilitarisation is not a matter for negotiation. It is a condition for survival. If the UN fails to understand this, Israel will have to act alone if necessary, as its history of existence has always dictated.

Benaiah468 said:

What am I talking about? The positions of the politician and the terrorist groups on Israel. Mamdami believes that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state in any territory. He does not believe in coexistence or in two states for two peoples. Both are working to annihilate Israel, one above ground and the other below ground. One is disguised as a wolf in sheep's clothing, the other embodies the face of the devil. It's like having to choose between the plague and cholera.

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No overlap then, got it.