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So is gerrymandering only disenfranchising voters when the other guy does it? Newsom may have won his measure, but he showed decidedly that he lacks integrity or principles.
If someone smacks me in the head every time I walk into a bar and I do nothing, then he's going to keep doing it. I abhor violence but pretty soon in this situation, I'm going to punch him in the mouth to get him to stop. Only an idiot could acuse me of lacking integrity by doing that.

I mean, seriously?
 
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So is gerrymandering only disenfranchising voters when the other guy does it? Newsom may have won his measure, but he showed decidedly that he lacks integrity or principles.
I'm curious....does Texas governor Abbott also lack integrity or principles?

-- A2SG, or is he off the hook for....reasons?
 
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If someone smacks me in the head every time I walk into a bar and I do nothing, then he's going to keep doing it. I abhor violence but pretty soon in this situation, I'm going to punch him in the mouth to get him to stop. Only an idiot could acuse me of lacking integrity by doing that.

I mean, seriously?
Democrats have the gerrymandering award in the past , just look at some of the maps. It’s about time Republicans “punched” back. It is a joke that Democrats are being cheated.
That wasn't the lie exposed here. It was:


Fact is, In this case, Calvary Chapel San Jose and its senior pastor, Mike McClure, were sued by Santa Clara County for unpaid fines of more than $2.8 million, for alleged repeated violations of the county’s COVID-19 indoor gathering and mask mandates.

And even if they sued the state, the county governments were the actors in this. I'm not saying you were lying. I'm thinking you trusted people who lied to you.
i also said Newsom was not personally in court but he is the top dog in the state that made the stupid regulations. Newsom also did not light the match that started the fires but he still holds some responsibility on how it was handled.
 
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i also said Newsom was not personally in court but he is the top dog in the state that made the stupid regulations. Newsom also did not light the match that started the fires but he still holds some responsibility on how it was handled.
So the lie that someone told you...you'll let it stay as it is in your post.

Well, OK. At least people who read it now know the truth. Including you.
 
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If someone smacks me in the head every time I walk into a bar and I do nothing, then he's going to keep doing it. I abhor violence but pretty soon in this situation, I'm going to punch him in the mouth to get him to stop. Only an idiot could acuse me of lacking integrity by doing that.

I mean, seriously?
Disenfranchising California voters doesn't do anything to address TX gerrymandering. Have you never heard 2 wrongs don't make a right? Newsom is governor of CA, not a federal position. His duty is to CA voters, and by intentionally disenfranchising CA voters he is violating his duty and showing he has no scruples.
 
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I'm curious....does Texas governor Abbott also lack integrity or principles?

-- A2SG, or is he off the hook for....reasons?
Probably, as I am not in TX I am not as familiar with him. Nor am I fully informed about how their redistricting came about. What I am aware of is Newsom has decided to take national politics into his own hands and set in motion a plan to disenfranchise voters in the state he is supposed to be representing, and that he belongs to a party that routinely complains about voter disenfranchisement so to intentionally disenfanchise voters demonstrates a lack of integritty and principles on his part nd the part of all those who support him for it.
 
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Disenfranchising California voters doesn't do anything to address TX gerrymandering.
It addresses the stated goal of the Texas gerrymandering, which was to give Republicans more seats in the House of Representatives.
His duty is to CA voters, and by intentionally disenfranchising CA voters he is violating his duty and showing he has no scruples.
California voters voted on (and approved, by a substantial majority) Newsom's proposal - it was not enacted as a unilateral decree.
Probably, as I am not in TX I am not as familiar with him. Nor am I fully informed about how their redistricting came about.
Perhaps you should read up on the issue before commenting on it, hm?
What I am aware of is Newsom has decided to take national politics into his own hands and set in motion a plan to disenfranchise voters in the state he is supposed to be representing,
Coincidentally, Abbot did the same thing, and he did it first. He also did it without consulting his state's voters. Newsom's action was prompted by Abbot's, and California's voters agreed with it.
and that he belongs to a party that routinely complains about voter disenfranchisement so to intentionally disenfanchise voters demonstrates a lack of integritty and principles on his part nd the part of all those who support him for it.
As pointed out, if your opponent isn't playing by the rules, continuing to follow them in the name of integrity or principles may be good optics, but it also generally means that you're going to lose.
 
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Probably, as I am not in TX I am not as familiar with him. Nor am I fully informed about how their redistricting came about.
Find out, then.

Trump Ordered Texas To Gerrymander 5 New Republican-Leaning Congressional Districts—This Is How Other States Can Fight Back

What I am aware of is Newsom has decided to take national politics into his own hands and set in motion a plan to disenfranchise voters in the state he is supposed to be representing, and that he belongs to a party that routinely complains about voter disenfranchisement so to intentionally disenfanchise voters demonstrates a lack of integritty and principles on his part nd the part of all those who support him for it.
Newsome asked his constituents to vote on it first. They approved.

Abbot didn't.

It's curious, seems to me you're unwilling to outright condemn Abbot, but more than willing to condemn Newsome, but their intentions and their tactics couldn't be more different.

-- A2SG, not to mention who they answer to....
 
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i also said Newsom was not personally in court but he is the top dog in the state that made the stupid regulations.
The county made the regulation.
Newsom also did not light the match that started the fires but he still holds some responsibility on how it was handled.
No one with any sense denies that large gatherings during the COVID-19 pandemic killed a lot of people.

I get why such mass meetings were banned.
 
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It's curious, seems to me you're unwilling to outright condemn Abbot, but more than willing to condemn Newsome, but their intentions and their tactics couldn't be more different.
Remember, the whole point of this process is to undermine democracy. So not surprising that Abbott would not let the people of Texas decide. On the other hand, Newsom is a democrat and therefore probably didn't consider not putting it to a vote.
 
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On the other hand, Newsom is a democrat and therefore probably didn't consider not putting it to a vote.
The 2008 vote to create the independent redistricting committee was a change to the state constitution voted in by the voters. IIRC, the only way to change the constitution (and a few types of law, like tax laws) in California is to put things to a public vote.

[When we Californians get our ballot information on the propositions, some are put on the ballot by signed petitions from voters, others are ratified by the legislature, but must be sent to a public vote.]
 
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I'm curious....does Texas governor Abbott also lack integrity or principles?

-- A2SG, or is he off the hook for....reasons?
Texas fixed a district based on race. Good for them.
 
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Texas fixed a district based on race. Good for them.
No.
Texas gerrymandered based on a command from the boss.
It was never an issue till the boss brought it up given concern he may lose power next year.
And yes, it was race based.
 
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I'm not particularly interested in TX politics.
Newsome asked his constituents to vote on it first. They approved.

Abbot didn't.

It's curious, seems to me you're unwilling to outright condemn Abbot, but more than willing to condemn Newsome, but their intentions and their tactics couldn't be more different.

-- A2SG, not to mention who they answer to....
Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner. If the democrats cared about free and fair elections,, they wouldn't be moving to gerrymander an already gerrymandered state. Abbot isn't being punished by Newsom gerrymandering CA, voters in CA whose local issues are going to be drowned out by the inclusion of voter bases whose interests are far removed from the localities are the ones who are going to lose. Saying that Newsom went to the voters doesn't excuse it, because his sole intent in the plan is to make elections in CA less fair.
 
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