Newsome pushed back against Democracy to achieve his political goals

Bradskii · Oct 8, 2025

Postvieww said:
Experts: California drought, fire crisis man-made * WorldNetDaily * by Alex Newman

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www.wnd.com

Incorrect. From here: When L.A. fires broke out, the 117-million gallon Santa Ynez Reservoir near Pacific Palisades was empty. Here's what we know.

'In his letter to DWP, Newsom wrote, "While water supplies from local fire hydrants are not designed to extinguish wildfires over large areas, losing supplies from fire hydrants likely impaired the effort to protect some homes and evacuation corridors."

David Freyberg, PhD, a hydrologist and water resources specialist at Stanford University, told CBS News in an email that while a full Santa Ynez would have had benefits, it's not clear how much impact it would have had.

"The reservoirs above Pacific Palisades were not designed to support fire-fighting at the scale of [this] fire," he wrote. "Water supply reservoirs are typically designed to cope with house fires, not wildfires."

And here: Reality check: There was plenty of water in SoCal reservoirs during the LA fires » Yale Climate Connections

But Peter Gleick, cofounder of the nonprofit Pacific Institute, says that the L.A. region did not need more water.

Gleick: “There was plenty of water in reservoirs in Southern California. The reservoirs were actually relatively full for this time of year.”

But the fires were so large and powerful that the city’s water pipes, storage tanks, and fire hydrants could not keep up with the unprecedented needs of firefighters.

Gleick: “Urban water systems are simply not designed to fight massive wildfires. … The real challenge was simply the massive scope of the fire and the massive demand for water that overwhelmed the system.”

And what is the current administration going to do about climate driven disasters like this? Absolutely nothing.

essentialsaltes · Oct 8, 2025

WND, haha

eclipsenow · Oct 8, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
WND, haha

Ikr?

In the red zone LOW QUALITY for accuracy - like FOX.

And on bias? Somehow they're just a smidge further right than FOX - and I didn't think that was possible!

When so many Americans choose to watch Fox as a source of "news" - let alone all these other amazingly biased and extremely low brow online sources - is it any wonder that America is struggling to even agree on which reality they live in?

Politics used to be disagreeing about what to do about a crisis. These days it's disagreeing that they're even is a crisis, what the crisis might be, and basically which reality we live in.

According to the Republicans there's no climate change, vaccines are some sort of conspiracy, immigrants are a source of all the crime in America, and Donald Trump won the 2020 election!

WND made me laugh at first - but just 5 minutes later and it's so sad

Vambram · Oct 8, 2025

Pommer said:
Here’s the thing about natural disasters, there’s no one to really “blame”.
Trying to do so, isn’t ultimately profitable, debate-wise.

However, we can look for blame if the responses to those disasters are woefully inadequate.

eclipsenow · Oct 8, 2025

Vambram said:
However, we can look for blame if the responses to those disasters are woefully inadequate.

Sure! Valid rejoinder!

Problem is - only MAGA affiliated sources seem to critique California's response.

SYSTEMS ECOLOGY
What I would need to see is someone writing from a systems-ecology framework, as bushfire management is incredibly complex and involves how fire interacts with the local species of flora and fauna. Indeed - too many 'hazard reduction burns' too fast can change the nature of the landscape to be MORE fire prone! (At least it did in the 1939 Black Friday bushfires in Victoria, Australia. Page 11: https://www.voltscommissar.net/docs/Leonard_Stretton-1939_Bush_Fires_Royal_Commission_Report.pdf )

WE WANT TO LIVE IN THE WRONG PLACE
Someone I’ve chatted with online knows this stuff. His name is Adjunct Associate Professor Phil Zylstra from Curtin University. In the following interview, he analyses the impact of Aussie planes flying over vast areas of bushland dropping fire starters in ‘hazard reduction burns’. He says “there is not yet any empirical evidence to that large areas of remote prescribed burning have had any effect on reducing house loss” and that the “window of opportunity to do prescribed burning is shrinking as the climate warms and the landscape dries.”

In other words - why do we think burning the guts out of the bush hundreds of kilometres into the wilderness is going to save any homes when there are no homes there to save? He makes the point obvious. There is only one way to live near the bush safely: bulldoze the bush to at least 500 meters away from any homes. That’s it! No government could ever afford to employ enough park rangers and buy enough fire trucks and water tankers to manage the orders of magnitude more burns it would take to do ALL the tiny little burns - delicately managed and supervised - right next to every home and village across the entire Australian bush!
Hazard reduction burns not a silver bullet: expert - ABC listen

I imagine with so many people, California's suburbs stretching across such a vast area near wilderness, and frequently suffering drought, approximates something like Australia's population spread across the bush.

Bradskii · Wednesday at 4:09 PM

And..the Californians decide that if the Republicans want to fight dirty, then bring it on, bro.

What does Prop 50’s passage mean for California, Gavin Newsom and the US?

Residents overwhelmingly backed the redistricting measure Democrats say is critical to protecting democracy

www.theguardian.com

“We stood firm in response to Donald Trump’s recklessness, and tonight, after poking the bear, this bear roared with unprecedented turnout in a special election with an extraordinary result,” Gavin Newsom said on Tuesday after the ballot measure passed.

As of Wednesday morning, results showed that some 63.8% of voters approved the proposition with just 36.2% voting against the measure

The Barbarian · Friday at 9:43 AM

Aldebaran said:
Why rig it even further?

Just doing what the republicans in Texas are doing. Caught them completely off-guard. But if enough blue states do this, it could finally nudge the system to abandon district-rigging entirely.

Always in His Presence · Friday at 10:07 AM

After confirming possible White House run, California's Newsom scores a win in fight for US House

LOS ANGELES (AP) — California Gov. Gavin Newsom, eager to raise his national profile as a Democrat willing to aggressively confront President Donald Trump, scored a campaign victory that may help his party in the midterms as he moves toward a White House run.

With Proposition 50, Newsom successfully bet he could persuade California voters on Tuesday to throw out independently drawn U.S. House maps in favor of new districts designed to help Democrats win five more seats.

Ding ding ding - there ya go!

RocksInMyHead · Friday at 10:48 AM

Always in His Presence said:
After confirming possible White House run, California's Newsom scores a win in fight for US House

LOS ANGELES (AP) — California Gov. Gavin Newsom, eager to raise his national profile as a Democrat willing to aggressively confront President Donald Trump, scored a campaign victory that may help his party in the midterms as he moves toward a White House run.

With Proposition 50, Newsom successfully bet he could persuade California voters on Tuesday to throw out independently drawn U.S. House maps in favor of new districts designed to help Democrats win five more seats.

Ding ding ding - there ya go!

I'm not sure what you think this proves.

Hans Blaster · Friday at 10:56 AM

Always in His Presence said:
After confirming possible White House run, California's Newsom scores a win in fight for US House

LOS ANGELES (AP) — California Gov. Gavin Newsom, eager to raise his national profile as a Democrat willing to aggressively confront President Donald Trump, scored a campaign victory that may help his party in the midterms as he moves toward a White House run.

With Proposition 50, Newsom successfully bet he could persuade California voters on Tuesday to throw out independently drawn U.S. House maps in favor of new districts designed to help Democrats win five more seats.

Ding ding ding - there ya go!

What are the "wow" revelations here?

That the Newsom Prop 50 plan was to increase the number of Dems in the US House from Calif?

(They were quite clear on that from before a specific plan was presented.)

That Newsom is interested in running for President?

(It was quite clear for a couple of years that Newsom is interested in running for president. If there had been a full primary process for the Democratic 2024 nomination with Biden not running, every expect Newsom to "throw his hat in the ring".)

Desk trauma · Friday at 10:58 AM

Hans Blaster said:
What are the "wow" revelations here?

That the Newsom Prop 50 plan was to increase the number of Dems in the US House from Calif?

(They were quite clear on that from before a specific plan was presented.)

That Newsom is interested in running for President?

(It was quite clear for a couple of years that Newsom is interested in running for president. If there had been a full primary process for the Democratic 2024 nomination with Biden not running, every expect Newsom to "throw his hat in the ring".)

Evidently it’s a gotcha that democrats are favoring policies that help their party.

Postvieww · 2025-11-09T11:27:56-0600

Always in His Presence said:
LOS ANGELES (AP) — California Gov. Gavin Newsom, eager to raise his national profile as a Democrat willing to aggressively confront President Donald Trump, scored a campaign victory that may help his party in the midterms as he moves toward a White House run.

He is also aggressively seeking 1.2 million dollars from a California church . Over covid violations. Will that help his national profile? Voters open your eyes!

The Barbarian · 2025-11-09T15:57:11-0600

Postvieww said:
He is also aggressively seeking 1.2 million dollars from a California church . Over covid violations.

No, that's just a story people made up. They were fined by Santa Clara County, not Newsom or even the State of California, for holding large group events during the pandemic.

The blue wave election seems to have rattled them; they are grasping at almost any lie, hoping something sticks.

Bradskii · 2025-11-09T19:05:32-0600

Postvieww said:
He is also aggressively seeking 1.2 million dollars from a California church . Over covid violations. Will that help his national profile? Voters open your eyes!

Will you now please correct your post? I'm sure that you wouldn't want to be associated with what someone told you now knowing that it's a lie.

Postvieww · 2025-11-09T20:19:54-0600

Bradskii said:
Will you now please correct your post? I'm sure that you wouldn't want to be associated with what someone told you now knowing that it's a lie.

Yes — there are lawsuits in California involving churches and alleged violations of COVID-19 public health orders. Here are a couple of significant examples:

Example 1: Calvary Chapel San Jose (San José, CA)

In this case, Calvary Chapel San Jose and its senior pastor, Mike McClure, were sued by Santa Clara County for unpaid fines of more than $2.8 million, for alleged repeated violations of the county’s COVID-19 indoor gathering and mask mandates.
A judge denied a motion to dismiss that lawsuit, meaning the case is ongoing (as of the latest publicly reported update).
In April 2023, the church was ordered by a California Superior Court to pay $1.2 million in fines for mask and indoor gathering violations (November 2020–June 2021) in Santa Clara County.
The church continues to challenge the fines and the underlying enforcement, arguing religious freedom claims.

Example 2: South Bay United Pentecostal Church (Chula Vista, CA)

This church sued the State of California over COVID-19 restrictions on indoor worship and singing. The state agreed to a settlement: pay ~$1.6 million in attorneys’ fees and enter into a permanent injunction prohibiting certain discriminatory restrictions against houses of worship.

Key take-aways

Yes, there are lawsuits and enforcement actions in California involving churches and alleged COVID-19 rule violations.
These cases involve both:
- Enforcement action by governmental authorities (fines for non-compliance with health orders)
- Lawsuits by churches challenging governmental orders (on religious freedom/First Amendment grounds)
Results have varied: some fines upheld, some settlements reached, some ongoing litigation.
The legal context is complex because it involves public-health orders, free exercise of religion, procedural issues (state vs federal courts), and differential treatment of gatherings.

Newsom is the governor of California he is where the buck stops . No Newsom is not himself in court heading up these cases but it is his state gone crazy. One church sued the state for the ridiculous restrictions that were unfairly used against some churches. Newsom is the head of the state that caused this mess.

The Barbarian · 2025-11-09T20:37:10-0600

Postvieww said:
Example 1: Calvary Chapel San Jose (San José, CA)

As you see, the church was in a lawsuit over county requirements. Neither Newsom nor the State of California were involved.

Postvieww · 2025-11-09T21:31:11-0600

The Barbarian said:
As you see, the church was in a lawsuit over county requirements. Neither Newsom nor the State of California were involved.

As you see South Bay United Pentecostal Church (Chula Vista, CA) sued the state!

The Barbarian · 2025-11-09T21:56:48-0600

Postvieww said:
As you see South Bay United Pentecostal Church (Chula Vista, CA) sued the state!

That wasn't the lie exposed here. It was:

Postvieww said:
He is also aggressively seeking 1.2 million dollars from a California church . Over covid violations.

Fact is, In this case, Calvary Chapel San Jose and its senior pastor, Mike McClure, were sued by Santa Clara County for unpaid fines of more than $2.8 million, for alleged repeated violations of the county’s COVID-19 indoor gathering and mask mandates.

And even if they sued the state, the county governments were the actors in this. I'm not saying you were lying. I'm thinking you trusted people who lied to you.

Bradskii · 2025-11-09T22:31:54-0600

Postvieww said:
Yes — there are lawsuits in California...

Whoever gave you the information in the one you posted was lying. You now know this. Are you going to correct that post knowing that it's a lie?

Fervent · 2025-11-09T22:40:57-0600

So is gerrymandering only disenfranchising voters when the other guy does it? Newsom may have won his measure, but he showed decidedly that he lacks integrity or principles.

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