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Harvard conservative magazine is suspended by its own board after publishing article laced with Nazi rhetoric
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Would something like these campus groups count?
Students Launch Communist Club at Columbia University
At Columbia University, a group of students recently launched the “Columbia Communists.”
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"New communism" group disrupts Yale professor's class
A group that advocates for the “new communism” disrupted a Yale University professor’s class Thursday.
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Britain for the British is a very nice thought.
France for the French, too.
Yet another terror attack today as a Muslim rammed 10 people leaving some critically injured before yelling Allah Akbar upon arrest.
Maybe he's reading the writing on the wall, consider Islam is a plague on Europe and Europeans are paying the price.
France for the French, too.
Yet another terror attack today as a Muslim rammed 10 people leaving some critically injured before yelling Allah Akbar upon arrest.
Maybe he's reading the writing on the wall, consider Islam is a plague on Europe and Europeans are paying the price.
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Would something like these campus groups count?
Students Launch Communist Club at Columbia University
At Columbia University, a group of students recently launched the “Columbia Communists.”
"New communism" group disrupts Yale professor's class
A group that advocates for the “new communism” disrupted a Yale University professor’s class Thursday.www.insidehighered.com
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So? Their presence either way meant USA was going to be a multicultural country. Same with our annexation of places with "other" type people in them. Thats the only point I was trying to make with all of this. We began on a multicultural course, and for the most part stayed on it.
Makes sense. The USA was premised on freedom of religion (among other things). So any religion based tax is out of bounds. And people intent on coming here would need to respect that sort of thing. But they dont need to have the same relgion as me, obviously. Thats the whole point of liberty: you can make those sort of choices for yourself.
Why it was made legal.
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Its still pics of randos on the street. Theres no specific context and response to examine like we have in this Harvard situation.
One issue here is the character of Hitler the man himself. This writer could probably have phrased the exact same idea differently and got away with it. But when it sounds like youre trying to quote Hitler it does cross a line. Perhaps thats not fair. But the man really embodied evil ideology. So even if you do have a Hitler aligned thought, probably best to use your own words.
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Amongst our early political thinkers including Founding Fathers, this concern was much discussed, and in some cases much feared, especially after the slave takeover in Haiti.
For now. But look at places like Dearborn which is basically ruled by Muslims. Imagine the interesting Constitutional Amendments that could hypothetically appear as we get much less insular.
Are we talking about in America, the U.K., Europe? I believe there are somewhat different reasons, but the initial and continuing reason common to all is the one you know - Big Business. "You know, congressman, I could make a whole lot more money if I could hire a Juan rather than John. And of course you'll be taken care of."
I was just reminded of something clever Rush once did:
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Doesnt matter. They could fret all they want. Millions of Africans and African origin people were already here. USA was not destined to be a white Euro only country where other cultures are insignificant.
The bar for constitutional amendments is insanely high. The character of Dearborn means nothing in that context.For now. But look at places like Dearborn which is basically ruled by Muslims. Imagine the interesting Constitutional Amendments that could hypothetically appear as we get much less insular.
We were talking about UK/ Euro post colonial immigration. Why did they let in so many immigrants from former colonies? I'd assumed it was some kind of moral obligation they felt. But you claim to know different. So....?
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But you're talking about during slavery. They didn't all anticipate they would necessarily ever be freed.
For now.
A predominantly Christian city has become an Islamic city. Minneapolis will likely be next. Today Peoria, tomorrow the world. (Yes that's a reference from both Hitler and the Ramones.)
Because European cities, industry and infrastructure had been heavily damaged in WWII, They needed to rebuild, which required lots of workers, and if you can get them on the cheap, so much better. Kind of paradoxical - Europe needed it's modern stuff so it wouldn't be a 3rd world place, so they brought the 3rd in, and now...
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I'd assumed it was some kind of moral obligation they felt. But you claim to know different.
Yes I said there was some of that among the bleeding hearts.
So....?
So what?
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Post WW2 labour to rebuild Europe mostly came from within Europe.
Migration into Europe from other regions was minor in the immediate post WW2 decades. Migration grew only very slowly through the late 1940s and 1950s and hardly accelerated until the mid 1960s.
For instance, UK migrant growth in the 1940s and 1950s was slower than it was in the 1920s and 1930s. The 'guest worker' programmes of Germany and the Low Countries didn't start until the second half of the 1950s and weren't expanded to countries outside of Western Europe until the 1960s and 1970s.
France was a major exception to this, with large numbers of Vietnamese and Algerian refugees started arriving in the 1940s. This was followed by waves of migration from France's colonial holdings in West Africa in the 1950s and 1960s.
Migration into Western Europe accelerated mildly though the early 1970 to the end of the 1980s. The big change in migration rates really occurs in the early to mid 1990s.
This is primarily related to the end of the Cold War, the formation of the EU and the unwinding of regulatory, practical and economic impediments to migration (on both sides). Put another way, it became cheaper, easier and above all legal for people to move across borders to seek opportunities.
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You are correct, but UK/Europe had to "catch up" with the two superpowers (yes I know Stalingrad was nearly a ruins). If you lose 50% of your money, you have to make 100% just to get back to where you were. Hence the urgency beginning in the 1960's.
Plus there's the emotional fact that, Europe learned a lesson from WWII, but it learned the wrong lesson.
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No, in France.
Huntingdon is very close to me and I used to travel there for work, but no, we don't know the motive yet.
However last week there was an Afghan asylum seeker that murdered someone walking there dog, stabbed a 14-year-old and injured someone else, which is one of many recent instances of people from those backgrounds proving they shouldn't be allowed here.
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The phrase "Blood and soil", "Blut und Boden" isn't vaguely Hitler-ish, it was at the core of the nazi ideology.
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Thanks for the clarification. It turns out that the suspect, Jean Guillot, 35, a local fisherman who grew up in the Dordogne, has addiction and mental issues, and despite yelling "Allahu Akbar," neither his religion nor terrorism appears to have been a motive.
The man in his thirties claims to have recently become radicalized. These statements should be taken with a grain of salt, as his remarks to investigators are, to say the least, confused.
"He is known for his numerous transgressions, notably due to his regular drug and alcohol use,"
He had been "hearing strange noises in his head for some time" and expressed a "desire to be hospitalized." Earlier, Jean G. confessed to the acts and explained that he had "followed the orders of Allah," who had entrusted him with a mission and demanded a "sacrifice." These elements support the theory of mental health issues as the cause of the suspect's impaired judgment.
He doesn't, however, speak of killing infidels. Investigators are struggling to understand his logic. His statements are confused and at times bizarre.
Jean G., told investigators during his police custody that he had converted to Islam in recent weeks. This appears to be a case of self-radicalization, seemingly without any contact with the Iraqi-Syrian region or any radical imam.
He believes, according to the same source, that Islam gives meaning to his life, a life made up of alcohol consumption, cannabis and violence.
"Religious writings, of the Muslim faith, were found in his caravan," he continued, adding that there was nevertheless "no jihadist dimension" to his actions.
The subject wanted to be baptized.
Jean G. contacted the parish of Oléron this summer to begin the process of being baptized, TF1-LCI newsrooms learned from the parish, confirming information from Sud Ouest. The first meetings were scheduled to begin at the end of November.
Jean G. "has spiraled out of control in the last two years due to drugs and alcohol."
This witness does not understand why his former friend shouted "Allah Akbar" yesterday because according to him, Jean G. "often spoke about the church, and went to mass every Sunday for the past four months".
The suspect in this case was Anthony Williams, a British national born in the UK. Both terrorism and religion have been ruled out as a motive.
Despite the severity of the incident, police have concluded there is no evidence that the train stabbings were motivated by ideology or politics.
This appears to have been some sort of domestic dispute between the man and his landlord.
Safi Dawood is charged with murdering Wayne Broadhurst, as well as attempting to murder his landlord Shahzad Farrukh, 45, and a 14-year-old boy, in relation to the incident in Midhurst Gardens in Uxbridge on Monday 27 October, a hearing at Westminster Magistrates’ Court heard.
Dawood allegedly contacted his landlord on WhatsApp and asked him to come to his room, where Mr Farrukh found the defendant with a large knife.
Mr Farrukh eventually managed to run out of the house and seek assistance from neighbours.
Dawood allegedly approached one of the witnesses with a knife in his hand and was standing in her garden while members of her family sought to help Mr Farrukh and the 14-year-old boy, who had suffered minor injuries to his hands.
One of the neighbours swung her walking stick at Dawoo,d which caused him to back off,
You said that this is "one of many recent instances of people from those backgrounds proving they shouldn't be allowed here," but there doesn't appear to be any evidence that refugees and asylum seekers are committing homicides at a higher rate in Europe than native-born citizens.
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