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Trump opens the door for sanctions on Nigeria over persecution of Christians

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Yes of course and thats the first step. Do you think sanctions will stop them. If they don't what is the next step. Unless every nation is united against such evil then I don't think it will change.
The religion of violence is the root of the problem. No they'll never stop. But we're not going to war with Nigeria.
In fact in some ways in organisations like the UN there are forces that actually side with the radicals and will resist such actions and even snactions I think. They have never placed sanctions of these evil nations and in fact single out nations like the west and Isreal as the bad guys.
I heard a joke the other day. Guy sez to me "The U.N. should start their own soccer team." I sez "But they represent the whole world. Who would their opponent be?" Guy sez "Israel of course".
 
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I'm not doubting there is persecution of Christians in Nigeria, but how much control does the Nigerian national government really have over their own country? If it's anything like alot of developing nations, the central government's power is weak and local and tribal authorities have to be negotiated with as a matter of just how thinks work. And would putting pressure on the Nigerian government, then, really being doing any real good for Christians in Nigerian, or might it make things worse? Those are all complex questions that need to be addressed before assuming that it's a good thing to put pressure on the Nigerian government.
 
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The religion of violence is the root of the problem. No they'll never stop. But we're not going to war with Nigeria.
Yes religion seems to be at the basis for musch violence and abuse. But I think its not just religion but also political ideology or whatever you want to call it that is perhaps secular and fills the void of religion.

I don't think any human society or nation can function without some ideological basis for how a nation and the greater world should be ordered. That comes down to ideological belief and not anything that can be objectively determined.

In some ways that is why the UN was created. To have an independent body that could be neutral and sort of be the worlds moral conscience. Which by the way has completely failed and shows that humans as a group cannot be neutral and will always imposed some sort of moral and ideology belief.

Which brings us to the current conflicts. As you say it seems nothing will stop this. Therefore it seems that as time has gone on and the world has become smaller and it seems everyone is concerned about things happening elseware in the world. Are we heading for some sort of world conflict over how we deal with the evil that is increasing.
I heard a joke the other day. Guy sez to me "The U.N. should start their own soccer team." I sez "But they represent the whole world. Who would their opponent be?" Guy sez "Israel of course".
Lol yes but I think Isreal has some pretty good players. They may have to call on the disciples. I think they have a good 11. Especially after Judas got dropped.
 
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Some of us do pay attention, mainstream media doesn't.

You’re a christian and I specifically addressed non believers in my comment.

I‘ve never known anyone to be greatly concerned about christian persecution nor is it a topic of discussion beyond those confines.

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Yes and you also hear this a lot. The idea of white colonialist being the oppressor. With that comes Christianity which many see as part of that oppression. Except I think maybe even seen as even more oppressive in that the church is suppose to be the moral leaders.

Some nitwit on CF once said that slavery brought christianity to blacks in America. Rendering the latter more important than events which led to its occurrence. One would think you wouldn’t hear things like that in 2025. But we‘re getting dumber and I digress.

Plus all the bad stuff the church has done and the decline in Christianity to more or less the fringes of society. Makes for a reciept of blaming Christians.

Society is more conscientious now and the things they ignored for the sake of the past or peace are no longer set aside. They’re not afraid to step on toes or push against ideas/behaviors. Blame applies a lack of wrongdoing and there’s a lot of things they can point to when making their case.

In some ways Jews and Christians are being put in the same box today. But certainly they are seen as some sort of oppressors who don't deserve the same recognition and support as others. I think deeply this is spiritual.

I don’t feel oppressed at all nor have I heard the same from loved ones or my associates. But we’re not MAGA, political, in the evangelical camp, influenced by the media or knee deep in christian culture. We’re not into Trump, Charlie Kirk, Candace or the things most christians are discussing in this medium. When I speak with believers I don’t bring up the news or politics. We’re discussing our interests, activities and what the Lord is doing in our lives.

We draw to us that which we are. If you spend your time mired in the negative don’t be surprised when it appears. You’ve created a welcome environment for those entities. You’ve mentioned this so often I can’t help wondering if your ego is involved in some respect. It seems to bother you that things are changing or christians aren’t as well liked from your perspective.

And if that’s the case so what? You knew that going in. So what’s the problem? The world doesn’t have to like you, support you or agree with your ideas or actions. It’s a choice. Many of you have used religion as a weapon or cause for superiority and if that’s failing it’s good.

~bella
 
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Yes of course and thats the first step. Do you think sanctions will stop them. If they don't what is the next step. Unless every nation is united against such evil then I don't think it will change.

In fact in some ways in organisations like the UN there are forces that actually side with the radicals and will resist such actions and even snactions I think. They have never placed sanctions of these evil nations and in fact single out nations like the west and Isreal as the bad guys.
In foreign policy especially in foreign aid two competing theories are: is aid based on recipient needs, or on donor's interest? Too often it is the latter from the USA. Most of Africa is neglected because they generally do not offer Western nations much. I am glad that this got Trump's attention. What Americans who generally are put off by any world policeman mentality need to realize is that many parts of Africa are easy to influence. So I hope Trump really does follow through in trying to insure human rights in Nigeria and other similar nations. Failing to do something is important not just to help Christians but eventually there will be a spillover to the West, as they will export their terror.
btw Former President Clinton has said before that not intervening in Rwanda was his worst decision as President.

I have not studied Nigeria in particular, but I see that 12 of their 37, provinces have some Sharia law operating there now. Perhaps the government should designate two or three provinces as autonomous, then seal the borders and lock the terror down? Anyhow, I hope they find a solution fast to limit Christians from being victims there and other places in Africa.
 
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Some nitwit on CF once said that slavery brought christianity to blacks in America. Rendering the latter more important than events which led to its occurrence. One would think you wouldn’t hear things like that in 2025. But we‘re getting dumber and I digress.
Yes it seems that this level of misrepresentation is actually taught in academia.
Society is more conscientious now and the things they ignored for the sake of the past or peace are no longer set aside. They’re not afraid to step on toes or push against ideas/behaviors. Blame applies a lack of wrongdoing and there’s a lot of things they can point to when making their case.
Yes thats true but I think many are throwing the baby out with the bath water. Completely rejecting God and church. The thing is its not as if there is some neutral void that exists. You have to replace God and the churches role with something.

Thats where human made ideas and beliefs come in. Because they are ideological in nature. Often you will see the very same behaviour that the new world moralists were outraged about being supported and practiced among themselves as being ok. Because its theur rules and morals this time round.

But in all of this there is a truth because everyone is fighting for it. The worst byproduct of all this is that theres lots of division and fighting over who holds the truth. That in itself is immoral. One sign of Christ church is unity of mind and spirit. We have no chance at the moment in world politics. Maybe some Christians will get back to setting Christs example.
I don’t feel oppressed at all nor have I heard the same from loved ones or my associates. But we’re not MAGA, political, in the evangelical camp, influenced by the media or knee deep in christian culture. We’re not into Trump, Charlie Kirk, Candace or the things most christians are discussing in this medium. When I speak with believers I don’t bring up the news or politics. We’re discussing our interests, activities and what the Lord is doing in our lives.
Yes I agree. How to live as a Christian within the world ideologies and politics. But I think this is becoming a little harder in that we have gone from a society that once related more to Christian values in the market place where you could more or less speak the same as you did in church on the streets. Now to one that has developed its own ideas and beliefs which conflict with Christianity.

Its more or less flipped today. So in that sense we cannot just freely promote those values within secular institutions. I have worked for government agencies or support organisations who are funded by the State. Theres plenty of times I have had to bite my lip about some policies and practice. In fact in the end I disagreed and we parted ways.

But certainly within the church it is a place where Christians should be able to speak freely and our concerns are different in many respects. Though we are concerned with the poor and spreading the gospel we have to be strategic today. But mostly we do best when quietly working in the background being there when no one else is.
We draw to us that which we are. If you spend your time mired in the negative don’t be surprised when it appears. You’ve created a welcome environment for those entities. You’ve mentioned this so often I can’t help wondering if your ego is involved in some respect. It seems to bother you that things are changing or christians aren’t as well liked from your perspective.
I am actually just signposting as it is developing. I see it over the years and I have lived through this evolution. Similar to the antisemetism that has risen. This is a red flag or sign post of the state of a society in general and not just Christianity. If we as Christians are to proclaim Gods Kingdom then part of this is signposting the coming times.

I see it as the same as highlighting that Christian persecution is growing. Or that people are going hungry and their basic human rights are not being upheld. Not only a Christian thing but a human thing. But fundementally if the bible is truth a spiritual battle that is building towards something. An ideological clash about how we should order this world.
And if that’s the case so what? You knew that going in. So what’s the problem? The world doesn’t have to like you, support you or agree with your ideas or actions. It’s a choice. Many of you have used religion as a weapon or cause for superiority and if that’s failing it’s good.

~bella
You misunderstand what I am saying. I am saying that the overall climate and not just for Christians is heating up. It is not the same as before where Christians could go in the public square and be ok. They are now being challenged to go in and many are scared. Even to the point where they will put the world over their faith.

This is the level the public square has reached or is heading towards. In fact its not just Christians. A person who holds certain beliefs now and expresses them will be attacked, physically attacked and threated for their life. We have seen it over and over.

Thus Christianity is one group among others who are fighting in this culture war and everyone should be worried and scared.

I am just saying for Christians it is doubly so because ultimately if this is a spiritual war then it really comes down to good verses evil. A spiritual battle. Which I think is heating up at the moment.
 
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In foreign policy especially in foreign aid two competing theories are: is aid based on recipient needs, or on donor's interest? Too often it is the latter from the USA. Most of Africa is neglected because they generally do not offer Western nations much.
Yes and a product of Materialism, Neo Libralism, Capitalism and Globalisation that has really developed in the 20th century. You could go back a bit with Colonialism and Imperialism as well. But all fairly modern ideas. Though there has always been some sort of 'ism' that has tried to rule the world.

I guess in such a world it only right that there be a trade off. Part of the justification though was an implicit promise that these 3rd world nations would have something the west had. Making the world American or western. Itself become an 'ism' in 'Westernism'. Or what some call now 'Colonialism' continuing.

As opposed to Christs teaching and true Christian spirit of helping in sacrificing self for the good of others. Like the Good Samaritan. Just helping because we are all made in Gods image. Wealth in heaven before on earth.
I am glad that this got Trump's attention. What Americans who generally are put off by any world policeman mentality need to realize is that many parts of Africa are easy to influence. So I hope Trump really does follow through in trying to insure human rights in Nigeria and other similar nations.
Yes he seems to be able to sell something different. Or appeal to the possibilities of what could be if there was peace. That good old business salemanship has come in handy afterall. Its certainly a different approach to all the diplomatic talk that never goes anywhere.

But whather Christian or not the idea of speaking out against such evil and giving it attention and not just accepting the status quo is a good thing.

I recall his idea for Gaza and turning it into like the south of France or something. I heard that Gaza is basically 4 to 7 miles wide and 25 miles long. Its more or lesws a suburb. Its tiny and has so much potential beying on water front. In any prime realestate market in peacetime this is gold. But they chose Hamas and never took the opportunity.

Though in Africa this is a different environment. Still even the Arabs are turning desert into paradise. Something good can be done with so many people willing to have the chance to be self supporting with good governance.
Failing to do something is important not just to help Christians but eventually there will be a spillover to the West, as they will export their terror.
Well this has already happened. People forget that it was the west that these radicals were targeting before Covid. They will eventually find another way such as with modern tech. Its only a matter of time. We allowed them to cultivate and really we caused this by how we dealt with this problem originally.
btw Former President Clinton has said before that not intervening in Rwanda was his worst decision as President.
Yes I think successions of governments and also the UN who should have been the ones standing against these evil nations or dictators and radicals. But due to political correctness it was washed over again and again. Or unreal solutions that only allowed them to get bigger and more radical.

Now its a powder keg I think. The radical ideological thinking has penetrated the west and turning it against itself. The radicals are winning. Thats why Trumps position is so radical in itself. But a breath of fresh air.
I have not studied Nigeria in particular, but I see that 12 of their 37, provinces have some Sharia law operating there now. Perhaps the government should designate two or three provinces as autonomous, then seal the borders and lock the terror down? Anyhow, I hope they find a solution fast to limit Christians from being victims there and other places in Africa.
What like the west bank or something. I am not sure an island of a completely different belief or politics could exist surrounded by radical groups. Its a strange setup for any nation.

It would be like the US or Australia making little nations within nations where some of them want to completely wipe out the province next door. I could see big walls going up everywhere lol.

I think if theres one thing we have learnt in the west it is that religion and politics don't match. And religion perse is not a good idea to rule a nation by. It can easily slip into authority by God or Allah or whoever the tribe is.
 
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This is from inside Nigeria from a Christian pastor.

 
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Why was there no protests in the streets or on campuses for the almost genocidal levels of Christian persecution throughout the world.

Maybe because that is not happening. You really should dial back your rhetoric.
 
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You’re a christian and I specifically addressed non believers in my comment.

I‘ve never known anyone to be greatly concerned about christian persecution nor is it a topic of discussion beyond those confines.

~bella
Only for those who are now reticent.
 
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Yes they say charity begins at home. But at the same time as far as world politics western leaders and through the UN or at least is suppose to be acting for the rights of all.

Its not really a Christian thing but a world politics. Which itself is corrupt and based on power and money and ideological overreach. I don;t think any world leader can be a Christian at the same time.

But based on the principles of the world being concerned for all peoples rights and western nations and the UN supposedly being the ones who are the moral leaders. Once such evil is identified its almost incumbant that they do something. Otherwise all they are is a mouthpiece that keeps pointing out these evil acts and never doing anything. Thus becoming implicit.

But really its too late for Christian action. That passed many, many decades and even centuries ago. Now the horse has bolted and its too late to shut the gate. Any action is going to make it worse. As it always has and make these evil radicals even more determined.

So I think Christians should point out these wrongs and the hypocracy and self defeating ideology its based on. Like what should happen at home. But I don't think they should protest at all. Not in the way it is being done in the political arena. Its too intertwined and will be taken as just another political ideology.
Interest in Nigeria as an oil producer heightened during the George W. Bush administration, with military policy focused on his creation of USAFRICOM and a good deal of low-level US military involvement.

USAFRICOM has been involved in Nigeria, though its involvement is mostly supportive, advisory, and intelligence-driven, rather than direct large-scale combat operations. The U.S. military’s engagement with Nigeria is generally framed around counterterrorism, regional stability, and training partnerships. Here’s a breakdown:




1. Counterterrorism Focus


  • Boko Haram insurgency (since ~2009): The U.S., via AFRICOM, has provided intelligence sharing, surveillance, and drone support to Nigerian forces to combat Boko Haram in northeastern Nigeria.
  • The U.S. has deployed special operations advisors and training teams to help Nigerian and regional forces improve counterinsurgency capabilities.



2. Training and Security Cooperation


  • AFRICOM coordinates joint exercises with the Nigerian military, such as:
    • Flintlock – a U.S.-led annual exercise in West Africa that includes Nigeria.
    • Operation Juniper Shield (regional anti-terrorism training, particularly in Sahel-adjacent areas).
  • The U.S. provides equipment, funding, and tactical advice for border security, maritime patrol, and counterinsurgency.



3. Intelligence and Surveillance


  • AFRICOM supports drone surveillance over northern Nigeria and Lake Chad regions to track Boko Haram and ISWAP (Islamic State West Africa Province).
  • The command shares intelligence with ECOWAS regional partners, enhancing Nigeria’s operational reach.



4. Limitations of AFRICOM’s Role


  • AFRICOM does not command Nigerian forces; all operations are in coordination with the Nigerian government.
  • Large-scale combat missions by U.S. forces inside Nigeria are extremely limited due to sovereignty concerns and political sensitivities.
  • Engagement is mostly indirect—training, advising, intelligence, and supporting regional coalition efforts.



Summary


AFRICOM’s involvement in Nigeria is strategic and supportive, focused on:


  1. Counterterrorism against Boko Haram and ISWAP,
  2. Training and strengthening Nigerian and regional forces, and
  3. Intelligence and surveillance to stabilize the region.

 
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Interest in Nigeria as an oil producer heightened during the George W. Bush administration, with military policy focused on his creation of USAFRICOM and a good deal of low-level US military involvement.

USAFRICOM has been involved in Nigeria, though its involvement is mostly supportive, advisory, and intelligence-driven, rather than direct large-scale combat operations. The U.S. military’s engagement with Nigeria is generally framed around counterterrorism, regional stability, and training partnerships. Here’s a breakdown:




1. Counterterrorism Focus


  • Boko Haram insurgency (since ~2009): The U.S., via AFRICOM, has provided intelligence sharing, surveillance, and drone support to Nigerian forces to combat Boko Haram in northeastern Nigeria.
  • The U.S. has deployed special operations advisors and training teams to help Nigerian and regional forces improve counterinsurgency capabilities.



2. Training and Security Cooperation


  • AFRICOM coordinates joint exerciseswith the Nigerian military, such as:
    • Flintlock – a U.S.-led annual exercise in West Africa that includes Nigeria.
    • Operation Juniper Shield (regional anti-terrorism training, particularly in Sahel-adjacent areas).
  • The U.S. provides equipment, funding, and tactical advice for border security, maritime patrol, and counterinsurgency.



3. Intelligence and Surveillance


  • AFRICOM supports drone surveillance over northern Nigeria and Lake Chad regions to track Boko Haram and ISWAP (Islamic State West Africa Province).
  • The command shares intelligence with ECOWAS regional partners, enhancing Nigeria’s operational reach.



4. Limitations of AFRICOM’s Role


  • AFRICOM does not command Nigerian forces; all operations are in coordination with the Nigerian government.
  • Large-scale combat missions by U.S. forces inside Nigeria are extremely limited due to sovereignty concerns and political sensitivities.
  • Engagement is mostly indirect—training, advising, intelligence, and supporting regional coalition efforts.



Summary


AFRICOM’s involvement in Nigeria is strategic and supportive, focused on:


  1. Counterterrorism against Boko Haram and ISWAP,
  2. Training and strengthening Nigerian and regional forces, and
  3. Intelligence and surveillance to stabilize the region.
I am pretty sure Boko Haram was involved in the Australian suicide bombing in Bali. Nevertheless This seems different in the current political climate of people highlighting injustices around the world like the current conflicts in the middle east.

This is now becoming a world problem and we are seeing innocents being slaughtered and calling out for help from the west who are suppose to be the bastians of the free world.
 
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He's considering all sorts such as the cutting off of aid.

The problem is this will affect the persecuted Christians too and actually may increase Christian persecution.
Oh no, they are already suffering so much. They are #7 on the Open Doors watchlist of countries where persecution of Christians is greatest, and there are twice the number of Christians killed, for their faith, there than in the rest of the world combined.

I think it's great that Trump wants to do something but maybe encouraging the Nigerian government to crack down on the groups persecuting the Christians would be better.
 
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Oh no, they are already suffering so much. They are #7 on the Open Doors watchlist of countries where persecution of Christians is greatest, and there are twice the number of Christians killed, for their faith, there than in the rest of the world combined.

I think it's great that Trump wants to do something but maybe encouraging the Nigerian government to crack down on the groups persecuting the Christians would be better.
Perhaps it would help other religious groups which are being persecuted there as well--not that we care.
 
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USAFRICOM has been involved in Nigeria, though its involvement is mostly supportive, advisory, and intelligence-driven, rather than direct large-scale combat operations. The U.S. military’s engagement with Nigeria is generally framed around counterterrorism, regional stability, and training partnerships. Here’s a breakdown:

Do you understand this thread and the "sanctions threat"? I don't. As you note in this post, the US and other nations are supporting Nigeria in their fight against the Islamist insurgency of Boko Haram, ISIS, and al-Q. Do you understand what the WH thinks will help Christians (or any non-Muslim) in the insurgent held parts of Nigeria by sanctioning Nigeria? Hoping you understand what steve is talking about. Thanks.
 
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Do you understand this thread and the "sanctions threat"? I don't. As you note in this post, the US and other nations are supporting Nigeria in their fight against the Islamist insurgency of Boko Haram, ISIS, and al-Q. Do you understand what the WH thinks will help Christians (or any non-Muslim) in the insurgent held parts of Nigeria by sanctioning Nigeria? Hoping you understand what steve is talking about. Thanks.
Nigeria is low-hanging fruit for Trump's base. They're easy to bully in public.

Edit: Understand that the bullying itself is Trump's theater to get the applause of his base. The US and other nations have already been working with Nigeria, with the help of Nigeria, to deal with their many militant factions...that was an initial mission of AFRICOM.

But Trump's base wants to see him bullying someone. His modus operandi is always to be in the action of bullying someone, and Nigeria is next on the list.
 
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