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Trump opens the door for sanctions on Nigeria over persecution of Christians

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I don't know how to feel about this. It is good that finally a leader has the guts to stand up to these evil radicals. It is good that other cases of inhumane treatment is being highlighted. It seems strange that it has taken so long for someone to highlight this in the worlds eyes. With all the attention on Gaza and Isreal we forget there are other much worse situations.

Why was there no protests in the streets or on campuses for the almost genocidal levels of Christian persecution throughout the world.

Trump opens the door for sanctions on Nigeria over persecution of Christians

 
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I don't know how to feel about this. It is good that finally a leader has the guts to stand up to these evil radicals. It is good that other cases of inhumane treatment is being highlighted. It seems strange that it has taken so long for someone to highlight this in the worlds eyes. With all the attention on Gaza and Isreal we forget there are other much worse situations.

Why was there no protests in the streets or on campuses for the almost genocidal levels of Christian persecution throughout the world.

Trump opens the door for sanctions on Nigeria over persecution of Christians

Christian or not, human suffering caused by any ruler should suffer some form of sanction.
 
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Christian or not, human suffering caused by any ruler should suffer some form of sanction.
Yes you would think so. It seems right and just to point it out and then actually do something and not just turn a blind eye. Its good its highlighting another issue besides the one we always here about every single day of our lives lol. So long as its consistent and fair it is just.

But its also strange or different to how we have been treating these issues. We have usually turned a blind eye and suddenly stepping in and saying now is the time to stop this evil and enough is enough. Thats either brave or stupid and asking for trouble.

I sort of like the fact that the persecution and near genocidal killing of Christians or any group is not being tolerated if we truely care about fellow humans. I have always felt uneasy that we in the west have got it lucky and we just sit there and let the world go crazy and evil. I think the sin of omission is just as bad as the sin of commission.

But it is confrontational and scary. It is brave perhaps. Sometimes I wonder when evil gets so bad should we do something. Can we do something as Christians. Or do we just sit back and clean up the mess. Or perhaps offer a third option. Is there a third or fourth option. Or is it too late.
 
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Why was there no protests in the streets or on campuses for the almost genocidal levels of Christian persecution throughout the world
Primarily because those Christians aren't being persecuted by a group or government receiving Western support, which includes billions in funding and supplying the weapons being used.
 
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I‘ve never known anyone to be greatly concerned about christian persecution nor is it a topic of discussion beyond those confines. When people speak of world events and human rights abuses it’s rarely mentioned. And I don’t expect you’ll see the level of protests and support the Palestinian's received because christians aren’t marginalized everywhere and it’s connection to colonialism is off-putting for some.

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Sanctions aren't all he's considering.

Trump threatens to cut off aid to Nigeria, possible military action over claims of 'killing of Christians'

"If the Nigerian Government continues to allow the killing of Christians, the U.S.A. will immediately stop all aid and assistance to Nigeria, and may very well go into that now disgraced country, "guns-a-blazing," to completely wipe out the Islamic Terrorists who are committing these horrible atrocities," the president said in a post on his social media platform. "I am hereby instructing our Department of War to prepare for possible action."

After Trump's first post, Nigerian President Bola Ahmed Tinubu pushed back, writing "The characterisation of Nigeria as religiously intolerant does not reflect our national reality, nor does it take into consideration the consistent and sincere efforts of the government to safeguard freedom of religion and beliefs for all Nigerians."
 
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Sanctions aren't all he's considering.

Let’s see…

We’re in the middle east and on standby for Iran 2.0 and Venezuela. Covert operations with Ukraine with a side helping of Nigeria? Did I miss anything?

~bella
 
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Why was there no protests in the streets or on campuses for the almost genocidal levels of Christian persecution throughout the world.
If Christians in the United States think Christians are being persecuted in these countries. Why aren't you guys going to these countries. And protesting. Right know Trump needs to be more concerned about helping the poor farmers ,that he screwed with his Tariffs and things.
 
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Thank you for the updates!

Our stealthy government is engaged in battles and quasi wars in the middle east and on standby for Iran and bombing boats in Venezuela. Covert operations with Ukraine and flexing the n-word against Russia. Threatening Greenland and Canada while harassing citizens in DC, Portland and Chicago. Now we’re eyeing Nigeria. MAGA!

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After Trump's first post, Nigerian President Bola Ahmed Tinubu pushed back, writing "The characterisation of Nigeria as religiously intolerant does not reflect our national reality, nor does it take into consideration the consistent and sincere efforts of the government to safeguard freedom of religion and beliefs for all Nigerians."
From what I've heard, he's lying. I've met and spoken with Nigerian Christians. It's not only organized Islamic groups doing the killing, it's also individuals. Being a Muslim in Nigeria is like having a license to kill Christians, is the way I've heard it described. If a Muslim wants to rob and kill a Christian, all he has to do is say "they insulted Islam" or "they insulted Muhammad". In that case, local police do not investigate, and the criminals don't get prosecuted.

 
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I‘ve never known anyone to be greatly concerned about christian persecution nor is it a topic of discussion beyond those confines. When people speak of world events and human rights abuses it’s rarely mentioned. And I don’t expect you’ll see the level of protests and support the Palestinian's received because christians aren’t marginalized everywhere and it’s connection to colonialism is off-putting for some.
Some of us do pay attention, mainstream media doesn't.
 
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Primarily because those Christians aren't being persecuted by a group or government receiving Western support, which includes billions in funding and supplying the weapons being used.
Yes thats the hypocracy of it all. That if you really want to play the worlds moral leaders then you have to be consistent. Unfortunately when it comes to politics and money morality goes out the window.

Thats why I wonder is any action ever justified under God when the world is so intertwined with all sorts of alterior motives. Still pragmatically stopping evil anytime is good.

But I wonder that because as you say there is always a hidden agenda that even though it may seem the right thing to do. That the fallout often leads to more problems.

I can see some claiming that this sort of action against evil people could be seen as an act of war and cruelty in itself. Everything becomes politicised.
 
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I‘ve never known anyone to be greatly concerned about christian persecution nor is it a topic of discussion beyond those confines. When people speak of world events and human rights abuses it’s rarely mentioned. And I don’t expect you’ll see the level of protests and support the Palestinian's received because christians aren’t marginalized everywhere and it’s connection to colonialism is off-putting for some.

~bella
Yes and you also hear this a lot. The idea of white colonialist being the oppressor. With that comes Christianity which many see as part of that oppression. Except I think maybe even seen as even more oppressive in that the church is suppose to be the moral leaders.

Plus all the bad stuff the church has done and the decline in Christianity to more or less the fringes of society. Makes for a reciept of blaming Christians.

In some ways Jews and Christians are being put in the same box today. But certainly they are seen as some sort of oppressors who don't deserve the same recognition and support as others. I think deeply this is spiritual.
 
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I can see some claiming that this sort of action against evil people could be seen as an act of war and cruelty in itself. Everything becomes politicised.
Sanctions are not an act of war.
 
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If Christians in the United States think Christians are being persecuted in these countries. Why aren't you guys going to these countries. And protesting. Right know Trump needs to be more concerned about helping the poor farmers ,that he screwed with his Tariffs and things.
Yes they say charity begins at home. But at the same time as far as world politics western leaders and through the UN or at least is suppose to be acting for the rights of all.

Its not really a Christian thing but a world politics. Which itself is corrupt and based on power and money and ideological overreach. I don;t think any world leader can be a Christian at the same time.

But based on the principles of the world being concerned for all peoples rights and western nations and the UN supposedly being the ones who are the moral leaders. Once such evil is identified its almost incumbant that they do something. Otherwise all they are is a mouthpiece that keeps pointing out these evil acts and never doing anything. Thus becoming implicit.

But really its too late for Christian action. That passed many, many decades and even centuries ago. Now the horse has bolted and its too late to shut the gate. Any action is going to make it worse. As it always has and make these evil radicals even more determined.

So I think Christians should point out these wrongs and the hypocracy and self defeating ideology its based on. Like what should happen at home. But I don't think they should protest at all. Not in the way it is being done in the political arena. Its too intertwined and will be taken as just another political ideology.

It has to be different somehow. I am not really sure. But certainly for Christians in their immediate world there should be plenty to be concerned about as well. Paul mentions how can you be a leader or good Christian if you don't first get your own house in order.

So from that basis I think if Christians can do this then they become a light to the world that not only exposes the evil but turns peoples heads to God. To Christs example. Then people begin to take more seriously what Christians say. Rather what Christ says.

This I think was how it use to be. The church at its best was seperate and like a wise council and moral adviser. Or a safe refuge from the world. Until it corrupted itself and lost all credibility. But I also believe that as a result of all this that there may be a wind of change. When things get really bad thats when Christians or rather Christ shines best.
 
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Sanctions are not an act of war.
Yes of course and thats the first step. Do you think sanctions will stop them. If they don't what is the next step. Unless every nation is united against such evil then I don't think it will change.

In fact in some ways in organisations like the UN there are forces that actually side with the radicals and will resist such actions and even snactions I think. They have never placed sanctions of these evil nations and in fact single out nations like the west and Isreal as the bad guys.
 
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