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Do you believe a Christian can no longer be a believer?

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They go from believing to unbelieving. Is this possible.

And can they go back to believing, or once they go back to unbelieving its permanent? I am curious to what each major denomination thinks on this topic, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant
 

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If by believing to unbelieving you mean saved to unsaved, this is not possible. If through believing you are saved, then you are saved and no amount of unbelief is going to change this.

When Adam and Eve sinned, God separated Himself from them, which we understand as spiritual death. This was the punishment administered by God for their disobedience. The wages of sin is death. To be spiritually dead is to be separated from God.

When Christ paid the penalty for our sins, He paid for it all. Meaning, there is no more punishment left to be handed out by God. God was fully satisfied through Christ. If there is no more punishment left to be handed out, then there is no more possibility of spiritual death (separation from God).

Since there is no more possibility of separation from God, once you are saved through faith (belief), there is no possibility of losing it. Even if you choose to stop believing, you cannot choose to spiritually die. This is in God's hands alone. Even if we are unfaithful, God remains faithful.

If someone chooses to stop believing after having believed, there was a reason for this. It often goes back to some form of disappointment, hurt, or tragedy that they may blame God for. There can be any number of reasons, but my point here is that God see's all and understands. And for this reason He would never leave someone in a time they need Him the most, whether they recognize this or not.
 
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A born again child of God can become a person who no longer believes. They still remain a born again child of God, just one that no longer believes.

But in the eyes of God they are always a born again child, just one who has went astray (like the prodigal son)
 
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They go from believing to unbelieving. Is this possible.

And can they go back to believing, or once they go back to unbelieving its permanent? I am curious to what each major denomination thinks on this topic, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant
God never removes our free will ... one can temporarily backslide or can choose to walk away permanently. One should be resisting sin (God will help you with this) .... if you are not resisting sin ... then you are totally lost (if you do not care about sinning)
 
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They go from believing to unbelieving. Is this possible.

And can they go back to believing, or once they go back to unbelieving it’s permanent? I am curious to what each major denomination thinks on this topic, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant
I believe God always forgives us if we return and ask forgiveness when we sin in general. This is a major part of the Lord’s Prayer ( Matthew 6:9-13). We are told in 1 John 1:5-10 that we can always be forgiven if we go astray. This is a living matter as long as we live our lives ( reading John 15:1-11 and the whole letter of 1 John before jumping to a passage like 1 John 5:18 is beneficial). Reading Colossians 1:1-29 ( verses 10-24) is also a good overview.
 
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God never removes our free will ... one can temporarily backslide or can choose to walk away permanently. One should be resisting sin (God will help you with this) .... if you are not resisting sin ... then you are totally lost (if you do not care about sinning)
I'm curious. When you say that one should be resisting sin and if they aren't, then they're totally lost...

Is sin not always a deliberate act on our part? If it isn't, can you give me an example? Otherwise, if all sin is a deliberate act on our part, then at what point is someone considered lost?

This is my understanding; say for example (this may be extreme, but it is to get a point across), I'm driving down a residential road when suddenly a young child runs out from between two parked cars. I do my best to stop and avoid hitting the child, but there just wasn't enough time or space to do so and I end up hitting and killing the child. Did I commit a sin in taking that child's life?
Same scenario, but this time instead of trying to avoid the child, I floor it. Did I commit a sin in this instance?

In both instances the outcome was the same, the child died. But, my motives were different. The first scenario would not be considered a sin on my part but simply an unfortunate accident. There was no ill intention or motive on my part to harm the child. In the second scenario, there was. It was a deliberate act on my part to harm the child.

It's very easy for us, and very self righteous I might add, to say that if someone continues to deliberately sin, then they are lost or were never saved to begin with. When the reality is, all sin is a deliberate act on our part. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't be a sin.
One cannot presume to say that someone who continues to sin is lost or was never saved to begin with without placing themselves an a pedestal claiming that their own sins are never intentional.

In the parable of the sower and soils, Jesus gives us four examples. The first is someone who hears the word but doesn't receive it at all. They remain unsaved. The second is someone who receives it, but it's more of an emotional high for them. For these people it's more about how they feel so they never bother to try and understand or to learn more about what it is they believe. So as soon as things start to get uncomfortable, as they always do, they have no understanding of the word and are quickly led astray by the next best thing that gives them that emotional high. The third example is someone who also receives the word but soon finds the worries and desires of the world more important, leading them astray. And finally, the fourth example is someone who receives the word and runs with it. It becomes their new life, bearing much fruit.

The first example is the only person who wasn't saved out of the four. All the rest were saved. In this parable Jesus showed us the three different types of believers. The believer who is more about the emotional side of it all, but has no foundation (understanding of the word) upon which to stay rooted. The believer who is too easily overcome by the worries and desires of the world (this one typically being the one who would appear to be deliberately sinning), and the one who is all in and firm in their faith.

Not all who are saved are going to appear the same in their behavior. In a perfect world they would, but this world is far from perfect. Jesus was simply pointing this out.
 
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I'm curious. When you say that one should be resisting sin and if they aren't, then they're totally lost...

Is sin not always a deliberate act on our part? If it isn't, can you give me an example? Otherwise, if all sin is a deliberate act on our part, then at what point is someone considered lost?

This is my understanding; say for example (this may be extreme, but it is to get a point across), I'm driving down a residential road when suddenly a young child runs out from between two parked cars. I do my best to stop and avoid hitting the child, but there just wasn't enough time or space to do so and I end up hitting and killing the child. Did I commit a sin in taking that child's life?
Same scenario, but this time instead of trying to avoid the child, I floor it. Did I commit a sin in this instance?

In both instances the outcome was the same, the child died. But, my motives were different. The first scenario would not be considered a sin on my part but simply an unfortunate accident. There was no ill intention or motive on my part to harm the child. In the second scenario, there was. It was a deliberate act on my part to harm the child.

It's very easy for us, and very self righteous I might add, to say that if someone continues to deliberately sin, then they are lost or were never saved to begin with. When the reality is, all sin is a deliberate act on our part. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't be a sin.
One cannot presume to say that someone who continues to sin is lost or was never saved to begin with without placing themselves an a pedestal claiming that their own sins are never intentional.

In the parable of the sower and soils, Jesus gives us four examples. The first is someone who hears the word but doesn't receive it at all. They remain unsaved. The second is someone who receives it, but it's more of an emotional high for them. For these people it's more about how they feel so they never bother to try and understand or to learn more about what it is they believe. So as soon as things start to get uncomfortable, as they always do, they have no understanding of the word and are quickly led astray by the next best thing that gives them that emotional high. The third example is someone who also receives the word but soon finds the worries and desires of the world more important, leading them astray. And finally, the fourth example is someone who receives the word and runs with it. It becomes their new life, bearing much fruit.

The first example is the only person who wasn't saved out of the four. All the rest were saved. In this parable Jesus showed us the three different types of believers. The believer who is more about the emotional side of it all, but has no foundation (understanding of the word) upon which to stay rooted. The believer who is too easily overcome by the worries and desires of the world (this one typically being the one who would appear to be deliberately sinning), and the one who is all in and firm in their faith.

Not all who are saved are going to appear the same in their behavior. In a perfect world they would, but this world is far from perfect. Jesus was simply pointing this out.

One of the first things a christian should do, is repent of their sins.

Paul said is one the basic doctrines, the 'Repentance of sin', as you can see is a doctrine someone who just starts as christian must learn.

You can't be more mature or advance, or have healthy communion with God, i don't know if you can even enter heaven if you keep sinning.
 
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