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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

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There is s difference in hitting narcoterrorists on the high seas and going into American towns and cutting them down. Preventing them from crossing our borders in the first place is appropriate. And the military is under no obligation to give us the military intelligence regarding their actions on the high seas while protecting this country from these cartels that are killing Americans.
I'm still fuzzy on why these drug pushers are being called terrorists. They don't seem to be doing anything terror-oriented, as far as I can tell. Have they been blowing up buildings and stuff and I missed the headlines?
 
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Did Obama share his feelings of shame? I don't recall that.
Yes, he did on one occasion.

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  • Obama's response: Obama took "full responsibility for all our counterterrorism operations" and offered a direct apology to the victims' families. He expressed his deepest condolences and acknowledged the anguish the families were enduring.
 
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Yes, he did on one occasion.

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The 2015 accidental killing of Warren Weinstein

In April 2015, Obama announced that a U.S. drone strike in January of that year had accidentally killed American aid worker Warren Weinstein and Italian aid worker Giovanni Lo Porto. Weinstein had been held hostage by al-Qaeda since 2011.
  • Obama's response: Obama took "full responsibility for all our counterterrorism operations" and offered a direct apology to the victims' families. He expressed his deepest condolences and acknowledged the anguish the families were enduring.
I thought we were discussing the deliberate killing of terrorists and not about accidentally killing an American citizen. Did you think we were?
 
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I thought we were discussing the deliberate killing of terrorists and not about accidentally killing an American citizen. Did you think we were?
I was discussing presidents having a sense of shame.
 
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There is s difference in hitting narcoterrorists on the high seas and going into American towns and cutting them down.

The principle is the same. The state is killing someone without providing them an opportunity to surrender and defend themeselves in court.
 
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I was discussing presidents having a sense of shame.
This thread is about military actions against enemies of this country. Its not about the military being asked to target American citizens accidental or not. Did Obama show shame for targeting the enemy?
 
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14 dead in more strikes against alleged drug boats, Hegseth says

The defense secretary said three strikes targeted four alleged drug boats.

The U.S. has carried out strikes against four more alleged drug vessels in the Eastern Pacific, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced Tuesday, killing 14 people.

The latest action brings the total number of people believed to have been killed to more than 50.
 
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The administration has not provided a legal authority or justification for the attack Tuesday that killed 11 people.
Allegedly they have a legal justification, but it's a secret.

Democrats shut out of Capitol Hill boat strikes briefing by the military

Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, blasted the Trump administration following reports that his Republican counterparts were briefed on the unilateral strikes against alleged drug boats in the Caribbean.

In a forceful statement, Warner condemned the reported partisan briefingas “indefensible,” expressing concern about the “troubling precedent” that such a move sets.

“Shutting Democrats out of a briefing on U.S. military strikes and withholding the legal justification for those strikes from half the Senate is indefensible and dangerous,” Warner wrote in his statement.

“The administration must immediately provide to Democrats the same briefing and the OLC opinion justifying these strikes, as [Secretary of State Marco] Rubio personally promised me that he would in a face-to-face meeting on Capitol Hill just last week,” Warner wrote.
 
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It's maskerovka, strategic deception to create a pretext to use military force against Venezuela (in another attempted "regime change"? That worked out so well last time the US tried it...), even though such aggression ordinarily would violate international law.

The current administration had a fair number of people electing him for his "anti-war" rhetoric, but in fact it seems like Trump has no serious intentions to restrain the use of violence in international relations. But considering that the president is a convicted felon, this kind of skulduggery should come as no surprise to anybody looking beneath the superficial spectacle.
 
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Allegedly they have a legal justification, but it's a secret.

Democrats shut out of Capitol Hill boat strikes briefing by the military

Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, blasted the Trump administration following reports that his Republican counterparts were briefed on the unilateral strikes against alleged drug boats in the Caribbean.

In a forceful statement, Warner condemned the reported partisan briefingas “indefensible,” expressing concern about the “troubling precedent” that such a move sets.

“Shutting Democrats out of a briefing on U.S. military strikes and withholding the legal justification for those strikes from half the Senate is indefensible and dangerous,” Warner wrote in his statement.

“The administration must immediately provide to Democrats the same briefing and the OLC opinion justifying these strikes, as [Secretary of State Marco] Rubio personally promised me that he would in a face-to-face meeting on Capitol Hill just last week,” Warner wrote.

The President is required to inform the intelligence committees of even covert actions.


Though when you publish videos and otherwise announce it is hardly "covert".
 
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U.S. poised to strike military targets in Venezuela in escalation against Maduro regime

The Trump Administration has made the decision to attack military installations inside Venezuela and the strikes could come at any moment, sources with knowledge of the situation told the Miami Herald, as the U.S. prepares to initiate the next stage of its campaign against the Soles drug cartel. The planned attacks, also reported by the Wall Street Journal, will seek to destroy military installations used by the drug-trafficking organization the U.S. says is headed by Venezuelan strongman Nicolás Maduro and run by top members of his regime.

The White House moved Friday morning to tamp down reports that U.S. forces are close to taking action inside Venezuelan territory. “Unnamed sources don’t know what they’re talking about."
 
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UN accuses US of breaching international law with deadly airstrikes on boats in Caribbean and Pacific

The attacks have killed over 60 people, according to U.S. officials.

"These attacks – and their mounting human cost – are unacceptable. The U.S. must halt such attacks and take all measures necessary to prevent the extrajudicial killing of people aboard these boats, whatever the criminal conduct alleged against them," Türk said.

"Under international human rights law, the intentional use of lethal force is only permissible as a last resort against individuals who pose an imminent threat to life," he added. "Based on the very sparse information provided publicly by the U.S. authorities, none of the individuals on the targeted boats appeared to pose an imminent threat to the lives of others or otherwise justified the use of lethal armed force against them under international law."
 
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Hegseth bars military officials from discussing drug boat strikes with Congress without prior approval

Loose lips sink ship sinking.

The list of topics that now “require prior coordination” with Hegseth’s office before engaging with Congress includes:

  • DoW [Department of War] sensitive military operations
  • DoW Maritime activities in the SOUTHCOM [Southern Command] AoR [area of responsibility] (to include enhanced counternarcotics operations)
  • Golden Dome/Homeland Missile Defense
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Republican Rep. Don Bacon said on Saturday the policy amounted to “another amateur move” by the secretary that was resulting in military members being “afraid to communicate” with lawmakers.

“I was a five-time commander & our leadership WANTED us to engage members of Congress,” he posted on X. “We wanted to share what our great airmen were doing. We were proud of our service. The new rules have put a large barrier between the military & Congress. Pentagon says the change is very small. But I already see the impact with military members being afraid to communicate. This is another amateur move.”
 
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