Did the early church worship on Sabbath?

truthuprootsevil · Jun 25, 2025

JSRG said:
The third of these three links is an argument against what appears to be your position. In fact, it's a direct re futation of the first link you posted.

One thing about me is I tend to post both sides of the story, when I feel it's necessary. And the post should show both arguments.

truthuprootsevil · Jun 25, 2025

JSRG said:
The third of these three links is an argument against what appears to be your position. In fact, it's a direct refutation of the first link you posted.

Only one of the three, and if I didn't say it I do have a tendency to post both sides of a belief.

guevaraj · Jun 27, 2025

prodromos said:
Determining the date when travelling around the globe is a problem that was solved long ago and is agreed upon by every nation on earth

Brother, happy Sabbath! It begins this Friday, May 2, 2025, at 12:48 p.m. EDT. The International Dateline is the oldest tradition known to mankind, started by God with Adam and Eve. God taught them to count the days of the week to remember the Sabbath. Judaism rejects the location of the International Dateline because it has misinterpreted the days of the week since Joshua in Hebrews chapter 4 due to the earlier Sabbath given in Jerusalem.

The Sabbath given in Jerusalem, compared to the days of the week established in Genesis, demonstrates that the Sabbath is fixed in the creation time zone and does not travel around the world with the week.

The message of Hebrews chapter 4 corrects the misunderstanding about the Sabbath since Joshua under the new covenant. Therefore, God has not helped correct the Roman Catholic Church's human tradition of Sunday as a substitute for the Sabbath, since Saturday, like Sunday, is also an older human tradition since Joshua. The truth about the Sabbath has not yet been understood in the Bible by those who maintain the ancient Saturday tradition since Joshua.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

The Liturgist · Jun 27, 2025

guevaraj said:
The International Dateline is the oldest tradition known to mankind,

A remarkable claim considering it was only established in 1884.

The Liturgist · Jun 27, 2025

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
What is your point? Are you agreeing with me or not agreeing?

Presumably not agreeing, since we are Orthodox and our primary worship service is on Sunday, and the importance of our services on the Great Sabbath in Holy Week and on Soul Saturdays throughout the year is regarded as insufficient to compensate for the transgression of celebrating the day on which Christ our True God rose from the dead and often around the time at which the Holy Apostles received the Spirit (in Orthodox churches which start worship at 9 AM, usually Greek churches that start with Orthros at 9 AM, or Slavonic churches that do the Third and Sixth hours at 9:30 AM, but some churches worship much later, and insofar as the Sixth Hour, the hour that precedes the Divine Liturgy or Typika according to the Horologion, is technically noon, 12 PM, that is fine; but liturgies that begin after the Ninth Hour such as the Liturgy of the Presanctified or the Vesperal Divine Liturgies of St. Basil such as those on Holy Thursday and Holy Saturday are Vesperal, with Vespers replacing the Synaxis based on the Typika.

The Liturgist · Jun 27, 2025

prodromos said:
Nope.

Christians had been meeting for worship before dawn on Sunday for centuries. They met before dawn because they then had to go to work, since the 1st day of the week was a normal work day. Constantine made it a day of rest in recognition of Christians worshipping on that day. His proclamation makes no reference to worship.

This is entirely correct. And it was good of him to do so, since it gave us two days of rest instead of just one.

The Liturgist · Jun 27, 2025

prodromos said:
How many 7th Day Adventists lived in Alaska at the time?

Probably none, since when the US purchased Alaska, a naval vessel was sent which accepted command of the base in Sitka and proceeded to loot the local Orthodox church, and SDAs did not yet exist as a denomination apart from other Adventists in a definite way but were still in the process of forming, and generally eschewed military service in a combat capacity.

guevaraj · Jun 27, 2025

The Liturgist said:
A remarkable claim considering it was only established in 1884.

Brother, it was recognized, not established. It already existed before the British tried to steal the spotlight on the dateline of God's prime meridian that came from the beginning. The British managed to shift the dateline slightly because few people live nearby, to protest the change in the tradition of the days in the week that we've all preserved from the beginning. They also halved the distance by using a negative half. In this way, they gave false importance to Greenwich, where nothing happens as it does on the dateline of God's prime meridian.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

FredVB · Oct 19, 2025

Leaf473 said:
Hey Fred, you're back!

Myself, I didn't assume you were a Seventh-Day Adventist, I carefully said "many seventh day observers"

Do you believe we have a reliable text of the Bible to work with?

The allowance to eat whatever is sold in the store, is that just an accommodation?

Do you see the Old Covenant as superior to the New?

I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah, 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt - Jeremiah

We do have relatively reliable Bibles with regard to one another. There are clearly noted additions in some places, some more generally noted than others. There is still more to an iceberg than what is in view. So there can be other bits of text not originally in scriptures.
Jeremiah 8:8-9
"How do you say, 'We are wise, and Yahweh’s law is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made that a lie. The wise men are disappointed. They are dismayed and trapped."

Yes, allowances and permissions are gracious accomodations. They are different, notice that difference, from how it was in the beginning, it was then in God's design, and God's will is perfect. It doesn't change.

The new covenant is based on the old covenant, that was needed, and the new covenant is the fulfillment, with Christ being who we have for the priesthood, the needed effective sacrifice for atonement, and the way to be clean. It does not contradict the old covenant, which was with shadows of what was to be shown in the new testament. Nothing did away with commandments, while Christ was the only one doing everything according to it, to be the perfect one, which was fulfilling that. God's will is still shown, as always, first, where there is anything in contrast to that.

The new covenant was promised to those people of Israel, the law in their heart would not be with anything different to the commandments they were shown.

BobRyan · Oct 19, 2025

reddogs said:
Not only did the Jews come for Sabbath but the Gentiles, and in Acts we see almost the whole city wanted to be there on the Sabbath.

Acts 13:42-44
King James Version (KJV)
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Now we see the Gentiles keep the Sabbath in Antioch as we see Paul when he came there, meeting with them in the synagogue on the Sabbath day.

Acts 13:14
But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

We see much the same in the early church in Thessalonica when Paul as was his manner, entered on three Sabbath days and reasoned with them out of the scriptures.

Acts 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

And we see more of the same in the early church in Corinth were Paul went every Sabbath and we clearly see it says "persuaded the Jews and the Greeks."

reddogs said:
Acts 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

And we see it was the same thing that Christ had done when He was in His ministry before Paul.

In fact every time we see the NT saints in a weekly worship service it is always Sabbath

AbbaLove · Oct 19, 2025

AI and AW (Artificial Wisdom) ... the Sabbath is still the Sabbath

SabbathBlessings · Oct 19, 2025

AbbaLove said:
AI and AW (Artificial Wisdom) ... the Sabbath is still the Sabbath

As long as God remains the Creator and Sanctifier, so will the Sabbath remain.

Leaf473 · Oct 19, 2025

FredVB said:
We do have relatively reliable Bibles with regard to one another. There are clearly noted additions in some places, some more generally noted than others. There is still more to an iceberg than what is in view. So there can be other bits of text not originally in scriptures.
Jeremiah 8:8-9
"How do you say, 'We are wise, and Yahweh’s law is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made that a lie. The wise men are disappointed. They are dismayed and trapped."

Yes, allowances and permissions are gracious accomodations. They are different, notice that difference, from how it was in the beginning, it was then in God's design, and God's will is perfect. It doesn't change.

The new covenant is based on the old covenant, that was needed, and the new covenant is the fulfillment, with Christ being who we have for the priesthood, the needed effective sacrifice for atonement, and the way to be clean. It does not contradict the old covenant, which was with shadows of what was to be shown in the new testament. Nothing did away with commandments, while Christ was the only one doing everything according to it, to be the perfect one, which was fulfilling that. God's will is still shown, as always, first, where there is anything in contrast to that.

The new covenant was promised to those people of Israel, the law in their heart would not be with anything different to the commandments they were shown.

Hi again, Fred

I'm sure you agree that the New Covenant "will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt"

What are some differences that you see?

Adventist Dissident · Oct 19, 2025

Leaf473 said:
Hi again, Fred

I'm sure you agree that the New Covenant "will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt"

What are some differences that you see?

National vs personal , Law on stone 9 (external) vs Law on heart (internal), 10s's lower standard, NC higher standard. no Adultery, vs no lust in heart.

FredVB · Saturday at 9:57 AM

Leaf473 said:
Hi again, Fred

I'm sure you agree that the New Covenant "will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt"

What are some differences that you see?

The new covenant is based on the old covenant, fulfilling those things, with the shadows of what was revealed in the new testament, the priesthood, the sacrifices, the way to be made clean, all of which were only effective in Christ. So the new covenant is uniquely different, while not contrary to what God required in the old testament, which had the shadows of those things. The commandments in the law being from God show God's will, and that doesn't change, even from the very beginning, and sin is shown by those requirements, with the new covenant we have Christ and can live according to what God requires, revealed in those, from our heart, rather than mere external obedience which was all that was known previously.

Leaf473 · Saturday at 11:21 AM

FredVB said:
The new covenant is based on the old covenant, fulfilling those things, with the shadows of what was revealed in the new testament, the priesthood, the sacrifices, the way to be made clean, all of which were only effective in Christ. So the new covenant is uniquely different, while not contrary to what God required in the old testament, which had the shadows of those things. The commandments in the law being from God show God's will, and that doesn't change, even from the very beginning, and sin is shown by those requirements, with the new covenant we have Christ and can live according to what God requires, revealed in those, from our heart, rather than mere external obedience which was all that was known previously.

If we look at the ends of the books of Leviticus and Numbers, they both say that "these are the commandments that the Lord gave..."

Would you agree that those books are commandments?

FredVB · 2025-10-27T09:57:17-0500

Leaf473 said:
If we look at the ends of the books of Leviticus and Numbers, they both say that "these are the commandments that the Lord gave..."

Would you agree that those books are commandments?

There are the commandments besides those that were written by the finger of God, after God spoke those ones audibly. Many other things commanded, being subject to the ten, are of the shadows which involve the priesthood, the sacrifices, and the ways to be made clean, which we have Christ for in the new covenant, and the civil law, which is not up to the Christian believers. And what we can be obedient in with it being in Christ we can do.

Leaf473 · 2025-10-27T12:54:58-0500

FredVB said:
There are the commandments besides those that were written by the finger of God, after God spoke those ones audibly. Many other things commanded, being subject to the ten, are of the shadows which involve the priesthood, the sacrifices, and the ways to be made clean, which we have Christ for in the new covenant, and the civil law, which is not up to the Christian believers. And what we can be obedient in with it being in Christ we can do.

Sorry, I'm not following

FredVB said:
The commandments in the law being from God show God's will, and that doesn't change, even from the very beginning....

Are you saying the commandments don't change except for the ones that are the civil law? Or any other commandment that we can't keep in Christ?

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