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DOES THE. LAW. of MOSES SAVE ??

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# 1 BUT //. DE. is a CONJUNCATION

# 2. THERE ROSE UP //. EXANISTEMI. , is. a AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD. in. the PLURAL

# 3. CERTAIN //. TIS , is an. INDEFINATE PRONOUN , is. an. NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 4 OF // APO. , is a PREPOSTION

# 5 THE // HO. , is a DEFINAITE. ATCTILE in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 6. SECT // HAIRESIS , is. an. GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 7 OF THE // HO , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in the PLURAL

# 8. PHARISEES // PHANSAIOS , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 9 WHICH BELIEVED. //. PISTEUO. , is in. the PERFECT TENSE , in the ACTIVE VOICE , is a PARTICIPLE , in. the NONMINATIVE CASE ,

in. the PLURAL

# 10 SAYING // EGO , in. the PRESENT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , is. a PARTICIPLE , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 11 THAT //. HOTI. , is a CONJUNCATION

# 12. IT WAS NEEDED// DEI , in. the PRESENT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the SINGULAR

# 13. TO CIRCUNCISE. //. PENTEMNO. , in. the PRESENT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE ,

# 14. THEM // AUTOS. is. a PERSONAL POSSESSETIVE PRONOUN. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 15. AND // TO , is a DISJUNATIVE PARTICLE

# 16 TO COMMAND // PARANGEGEL is. in the PRESENT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE

# 17. TO KEEP // TEREO , in. the PRESENT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE

# 18 THE //. HO. is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 19. LAW // NOMOS. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SIGULAR

# 20 OF MOSES // MOYSES. , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

And many believe in ACTS 2 :38. with its water Baptism , you can. excepy. Acts 15:5 , RIGHT

And men can be circumcision. so where does that leave women. ??

AND does your church have Priests and. ALTER. to have animal SACRIFICES. as it. is part of. The Law of Moses

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If a person was to keep it perfectly, yes
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AND does the written word say JUST. ONE kept the LAW , Perfectly. as ALL have come Short of the glory. of God

and am sure there are MORE !!

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there are some things you are missing. 1. when they were talking about circumcision it is always talking the "enterance" requirement to the covenant, in order to receive the benefits/ blessings of the covenant , which was considered "salvation". It would be like asking the question what do I have to do to enter Costco. do I need my own Costco card or do I use the Lord's Costo card. If I use my own then why do I need the Lords? Salvation in this case does not mean going to heaven. it might include it but that is not what they are talking about.
 
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Adventist Dissident said:
there are some things you are missing. 1. when they were talking about circumcision it is always talking the "enterance" requirement to the covenant, in order to receive the benefits/ blessings of the covenant , which was considered "salvation". It would be like asking the question what do I have to do to enter Costco. do I need my own Costco card or do I use the Lord's Costo card. If I use my own then why do I need the Lords? Salvation in this case does not mean going to heaven. it might include it but that is not what they are talking about.
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And you explain. Gal 6 :15 and then. I will explain it then if you cannot , just let me know you cannot then I will explain. it. !!

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Dan Perez said:
# 1 BUT //. DE. is a CONJUNCATION

# 2. THERE ROSE UP //. EXANISTEMI. , is. a AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD. in. the PLURAL

# 3. CERTAIN //. TIS , is an. INDEFINATE PRONOUN , is. an. NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 4 OF // APO. , is a PREPOSTION

# 5 THE // HO. , is a DEFINAITE. ATCTILE in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 6. SECT // HAIRESIS , is. an. GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 7 OF THE // HO , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in the PLURAL

# 8. PHARISEES // PHANSAIOS , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 9 WHICH BELIEVED. //. PISTEUO. , is in. the PERFECT TENSE , in the ACTIVE VOICE , is a PARTICIPLE , in. the NONMINATIVE CASE ,

in. the PLURAL

# 10 SAYING // EGO , in. the PRESENT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , is. a PARTICIPLE , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 11 THAT //. HOTI. , is a CONJUNCATION

# 12. IT WAS NEEDED// DEI , in. the PRESENT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the SINGULAR

# 13. TO CIRCUNCISE. //. PENTEMNO. , in. the PRESENT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE ,

# 14. THEM // AUTOS. is. a PERSONAL POSSESSETIVE PRONOUN. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 15. AND // TO , is a DISJUNATIVE PARTICLE

# 16 TO COMMAND // PARANGEGEL is. in the PRESENT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE

# 17. TO KEEP // TEREO , in. the PRESENT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE

# 18 THE //. HO. is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 19. LAW // NOMOS. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SIGULAR

# 20 OF MOSES // MOYSES. , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

And many believe in ACTS 2 :38. with its water Baptism , you can. excepy. Acts 15:5 , RIGHT

And men can be circumcision. so where does that leave women. ??

AND does your church have Priests and. ALTER. to have animal SACRIFICES. as it. is part of. The Law of Moses

dan p
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The Ordinances and their ceremonies were nailed to the cross, no longer needed after the death of our savior ... He was the final and perfect sacrifice for all ... for all times. The earthly sanctuary system shows how salvation would occur in heaven through Jesus (it was an example) to help us understand.

Circumcision of the heart is a work of the Holy Spirit that occurs when a person accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior.
We (believers) all get circumcised .... in the heart.
 
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if you obey the voice of the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this Book of the Law, and if you turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
“For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off.
 
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if you obey the voice of the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this Book of the Law, and if you turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
“For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off.
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Audience= Israel not the gentile church. Different covenant.
 
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Adventist Dissident said:
there are some things you are missing. 1. when they were talking about circumcision it is always talking the "enterance" requirement to the covenant, in order to receive the benefits/ blessings of the covenant , which was considered "salvation". It would be like asking the question what do I have to do to enter Costco. do I need my own Costco card or do I use the Lord's Costo card. If I use my own then why do I need the Lords? Salvation in this case does not mean going to heaven. it might include it but that is not what they are talking about.
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3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. (Ga 5:3–4)​

Circumcision is more than just an entry requirement. It represents an attempt to be justified by obedience to the law. And for Christians to do this means the have become estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.

Today, we do not look at circumcision as the primary offending event. We may not even know what the offending event is. But we do see many who identify as Christians who "desire to be under the law" (Ga 4:21) and "attempt to be justified by law" (Ga 5:4). It is safe to assume that there was a primary offending event even if it wasn't circumcision per se. But right now, the identity of the offending event is not really important. What is important is the current state of estrangement from Christ and their fall from His grace. And the solution is within their grasp:

Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. (Ga 5:1)​
 
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d taylor said:
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If a person was to keep it perfectly, yes
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No. . .salvation has never been by law keeping. . .since Araham, salvation has been by faith (Ge 15:5-6).

The law was not given to save, the law was given to reveal sin (Ro 3:20).
 
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