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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
"Under Title X of the US Code, the President has plenary authority..."
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I call a spade a spade. If you find that disrespectful, then there's the ignore button. Now - back on topic?
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I agree part 1 doesn't apply.
I disagree. When citizens are attacking agents attempting to stop them form doing their jobs and are attacking federal buildings where agents are located, surrounding agents and attempting to prevent them from doing their jobs thats rebellion.
They are able to arrest people, but that doesn't mean they are able to arrest everyone they are trying to. There are areas in Chicago where people are preventing them from executing their authority. Those stories need to be told. I've seen plenty of videos from the people themselves and their testimonies of how rhey have chased ICE off and prevented them from doing their job.
There are neighborhoods where they have organized watches where when ICE is seen they blow whistles summoning crowds of people who rush the agents.
In my opinion these two things are happening.
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That’s wonderful. I love hearing about communities coming together to protect their own.
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No it's ad hominem personal attacks which derail threads.
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Pointing out that you aren't answering the question and actively avoiding it isn't a personal attack. It's pointing out the lack of an arguement that you have.
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That can be done without being rude and insulting. As a matter of fact if that hadn't happened, this derail wouldn't have occurred. I wouldn't perform the task of cutting and pasting readily available information that took a minute to find, because people were being disrespectful in their demand for such.
Specify please. Based on posts I've made in this thread, what's my alleged argument?
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No, that's not a rebellion. It's not organized, nor is it trying to overthrow the government or otherwise seize control of the state.
Law enforcement is never able to arrest everyone that they try to.
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Rebellion doesn't have to just be about overthrowing the entire government.
Please don't be so disingenuous. You are a smart guy. I was clear about what I was talking about. I know you didnt miss it. If you need further clarity just ask.
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In a literal definition, sure. But in a legal sense, that's a necessary part - otherwise we'd be dropping the full force of the US military on every teenager.
As was I. The core of what you said is that ICE can't do everything that it wants to do. That doesn't mean that they're prevented from enforcing the law though.
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Once again you are being disingenuous. No one here is taking about tee n s rebelling against their parents. We are taking about rebellion against the government and using violence to do it.
Ues you were CLEARLY and purposefully misrepresenting what I said. The core is that people ARE preventing them from doing their jobs in certain areas. And falls under title.
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Of course not - I was making the point that the word "rebellion" has many meanings, so while saying that "It's a rebellion!" may be technically correct according to one of those many definitions, it does not mean that the situation meets the standard of "rebellion" under the Constitution.
Which is not happening. Again, rebellions are inherently organized and seek to overthrow the authority of the government. That is not happening anywhere in the US today.
The reality is that this is not actually happening though. Temporarily being obstructed does not prevent them from doing their jobs in the bigger picture of things. If, for example, the local police or national guard had been instructed by city leadership or the governor to stop ICE from doing their jobs, then you might have a point - that would be very similar to the conditions under which Eisenhower federalized the Arkansas Guard. But a few citizens getting in the way of their own volition are in no way comparable.
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He’s trolling for Trump, Miller, and Bondi in regards to Title 10, NG, and executive power under Title 10. The du jour is no longer critically assess a position detached as much as possible from party bias.
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Fantastic, except for the conspicuous omission of demonstrating the specific and narrow circumstances of this aspect of Title 10 are satisfied factually.
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The constitution does not define rebellion as only trying to take over the government as you defined it. Other forms of rebellion against rhe government can apply. And in this case that is what is happening.
The real question should be, is this rebellion justified. Because some rebellions are. You should admit this is a rebellion in places and then answering if it is a justified one. Thats the real discussion.
Yes it is. Ive seen the videos.
These rebellions in these area are organized and often paid for. Of course not every person there is part it, but they dont have to be in order for it to work. Its happening in Portland and Chicago.
Yes it is. We've even had posters on this forum admit it and were proud of it.
Thats not the definition of obstruction.
You dont have to have city or state governments to be involved. Thats not a requirement of the law. Having citizens involved is enough.
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