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Anything but simply being respectful.
Anything but an answer. I'll take this as your concession that you never had any basis for your arguement since you cannot articulate it.
 
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Anything but an answer. I'll take this as your concession that you never had any basis for your arguement since you cannot articulate it.
Which of my posts require articulation?
 
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Anything but simply being respectful.
I've been respectful. Your evasiveness, non-answers, and bad-faith arguments, on the other hand...
President Trump has cited Title 10, U.S. Code, Section 12406 as the authority to deploy the National Guard to protect federal personnel and property.

§12406. National Guard in Federal service: call
Whenever-
(1) the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;
(2) there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or
(3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;
See, that wasn't so hard.

Now, let's discuss.
§12406. National Guard in Federal service: call
Whenever-
(1) the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;
Clearly not the case.
(2) there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or
Also clearly not the case.
(3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;
Also clearly not the case - ICE is still arresting people and deporting them.
 
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Clearly not the case.
I agree part 1 doesn't apply.
Also clearly not the case.
I disagree. When citizens are attacking agents attempting to stop them form doing their jobs and are attacking federal buildings where agents are located, surrounding agents and attempting to prevent them from doing their jobs thats rebellion.
Also clearly not the case - ICE is still arresting people and deporting them.
They are able to arrest people, but that doesn't mean they are able to arrest everyone they are trying to. There are areas in Chicago where people are preventing them from executing their authority. Those stories need to be told. I've seen plenty of videos from the people themselves and their testimonies of how rhey have chased ICE off and prevented them from doing their job.

There are neighborhoods where they have organized watches where when ICE is seen they blow whistles summoning crowds of people who rush the agents.

In my opinion these two things are happening.
 
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