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The Lost House of Israel

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I merely bring to your attention, what many sources inform us about. My belief is that it is a probability that the Holy Family lived in Britian for about 18 years.
What puzzles me, is for what reason does anyone vehemently oppose it?
Thats pure fantasy. Its not scriptural either. The Bible tells us where they lived..
 
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This is pathetic.
Methinks you moan and whinge too much.
I didn't take it as pathetic, moaning or whinging. You did make certain statements about Mary, Joseph of Arimathea, etc. as though they were actual fact. For example, you wrote:

"Ann, the mother of the Virgin Mary was British, she came from Cornwall, she married three times: by her first husband, Joachim, she had Mary, then with Cleopas she had James, Simon, Jude, and Joseph Barsaba. Her third husband, Salome; resulted in John and James the Apostles. Ann’s sister, Bianca married a Jacob, their son was Joseph: who married Mary, therefore they were cousins. Their daughter; Elizabeth was the mother of John the Baptist."

Then in a later post you changed that to saying that these things are not proven facts, but only your beliefs.
 
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Of course there isn't. This possibility is not a Salvation issue.
But it does have support in the historical record, oral and written, as this article I researched:-

Britain and the Middle East
In recent history, we learn of the Balfour Declaration that prepared the way for the establishment of the State of Israel and then Britain administered the mandated territory of Palestine until independence was declared in May 1948.

But what is not generally known is the British connections to that area in the BCE era and early CE. It was not uncommon for people from the Mediterranean area to visit Britain. Some Romans sent their children there for their education. There was an extensive mining industry for iron, copper, lead, tin, and silver, centred in Cornwall. Also fruit, grains and livestock were exported to Rome and elsewhere. This trading intercourse naturally resulted in family connections and documents held in the College of Arms and the British Museum confirm the relationship between the British Royal family and Jesus of Nazareth.

Ann, the mother of the Virgin Mary was British, she came from Cornwall, she married three times: by her first husband, Joachim, she had Mary, then with Cleopas she had James, Simon, Jude, and Joseph Barsaba. Her third husband, Salome; resulted in John and James the Apostles. Ann’s sister, Bianca married a Jacob, their son was Joseph: who married Mary, therefore they were cousins. Their daughter; Elizabeth was the mother of John the Baptist.

To go back to the earlier history of Israel in Britain, their settlement occurred in many stages, starting soon after the Exodus from Egypt with some from the tribe of Dan going first to Ireland. After the Assyrian’s took the Northern tribes away, they made their way across Europe to the British Isles, in groups such as the Gauls, Celts, refugees from Tyre, Vikings, Angles, Saxons, Franks, etc. Their waymarks, dolmens are seen across Europe. Jeremiah 31:21

After the Babylonian conquest of Judah, Jeremiah went to Egypt, then to Ireland with his scribe, Baruch and the two daughters of King Zedekiah. Princess Tea Tephi a descendant of Perez, Ezekiel 17:22, married Herremon: of the Zerah line, the king of Hibernia. [Hebrews land] This union brought about the rejoining of the Perez and Zerah lines of the Royal House of Judah. Ann traces her ancestry back to them.

It seems quite probable that Jesus spent His earlier life in Britain, historical tradition actually has this view. His legal father may have died when Jesus was about 12, soon after the incident in the temple. Joseph of Aramathea was related to the holy family, he may have been Mary’s uncle and he was their kinsman protector. Because he had mining interests in Britain, with his base at Glastonbury, it is logical that they all moved there for safety. It becomes obvious that the holy family returned to Judea just before Jesus commenced His ministry, because He wasn’t known locally, as we see by the way He called His disciples and He had to pay the visitors tax. Matthew 17:24-27

The Apostles were told to be witnesses to the Gospel…to the uttermost parts of the world and to take it to the ‘lost sheep of Israel’. The British Isles was the farthest they could go to the North and West and that was where some of the Ten tribes had settled. Ephraim and Manasseh in Britain; [British= Hebrew: Covenant people] and Asher in Scotland. [Scotia, the other daughter of Zedikiah] There are many historical records that confirm Britain as being the first country to receive the Gospel. Christianity was introduced into Britain by Joseph of Aramathea circa 36-39AD, followed by Aristobulus; the first Bishop to the Britons, then by St Paul. In Romans Paul sends greetings to his friends and relations. Romans 16:7 & 21 mentions several kinsmen of Paul, we don’t know how they were related, but verse 13 says Rufus has the same mother as Paul – that is they were brothers or half-brothers. This Rufus Pudens was married to Princess Claudia, [who changed her name from Gladys] the daughter of Caractacus the British King. So Paul had highly placed contacts and was well received there.

This has had the result of the Christianisation of much of the Western world and the missionary efforts everywhere. All according to God’s Plan, and now we await the unfolding of the end time events, with all the great blessings He promises to His Christian peoples.
Ref: logostelos.info

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I'd suggest the royals retro historied to make themselves seem legit, just as the Roman Constantine did who basically stole Christianity and turned it in to some grotesque forms of Jewish copy cat ritualism with dominion over civil rule

Other than that the whole British story above is non required nonsense

Jesus did not visit Britain or India or Tibet

He was a common carpenter in Israel, not a world trade traveling partner who did religious meditations on the side with foreigners
 
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This is pathetic.
Methinks you moan and whinge too much.
What, it' pathetic that someone "commanded to preach God's message' writes stuff that isn't even Scriptural?
Agreed.

Methinks you can't cope when people challenge you.
 
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What, it' pathetic that someone "commanded to preach God's message' writes stuff that isn't even Scriptural?
Agreed.

Methinks you can't cope when people challenge you.
I am sorry to have reacted like that. It was not nice and I apologise.
However, it seems all here are unable to hold a decent conversation. I guess this is because no one likes their long held beliefs to be challenged.

I realize that to believe Jesus did go to Britain, means that Britain does have an Israelite heritage.
The ten Northern tribes, taken into exile by Assyria did migrate across Europe and some to as far as the British Iles and Ireland. Jeremiah 31:21, John 7:35, Matthew 15:24, 2 Esdras 13:39-50
But that disturbs people who have to maintain a separation between the Church and a one and only; Jewish Israel in order for their fanciful belief of a 'rapture to heaven' to be possible.
The whole idea of a Jewish redemption and mass conversion, is not Biblical and will never happen.

Who it was that did mass convert, was those who the Apostles went to, after the Jews rejected the Gospel. They were the Lost Tribes and we Christians are mainly, their descendants. Gods Promises to the Patriarchs will be kept by the Christian peoples.
Amos 9:9 dispels any ideas that the exiled ten tribes are lost forever.
 
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The Great Promises of God to His People:
Ezekiel 28:25-26 The Lord God says: When I gather the House of Israel from the nations among whom they are now scattered and I have been reverenced by them, as the nations will see, then they will live in their heritage, all of the Holy Land that I promised to My servant Jacob.

They will have security there, building houses and planting vineyards, yes, they will dwell in confidence and safety, when I have executed My judgements upon all their contemptuous neighbours. They will no longer have to fear any threats from ungodly peoples around them and they will know that I am the Lord their God
. KJV, CJB, REB.

This short prophecy encapsulates the truth of what every righteous Christian can expect for their future. Sadly, not many can see this future, because of beliefs in false teachings and inability to discern the prophesies correctly.

We know from New Testament teaching that Christian peoples now belong to the House of Israel, whether they are true descendants of Jacob or not. But in order for God’s promises to the Patriarchs to be fulfilled, the majority, now ‘scattered among the nations’, WILL, in fact, be their descendants. Only God knows who and where they all are. Amos 9:9

All of the Lord’s righteous Christian peoples will be gathered soon after ‘a Day of cloud and darkness’, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Ezekiel 20:34-38. That will be the many prophesied and well described - ‘Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath’, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster of fire from the sun, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7, that will destroy His enemies, Isaiah 66:15-17 and enable God’s plan for His people to ‘display His glory for all the nations to see’, Ezekiel 39:27, to be fulfilled. Proving that all this will happen before the Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign.

The people of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, having passed through the ‘great ordeal’ of the Day of wrath, Luke 21:35, Revelation 7:1-14, will select their own leaders, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11, they will build a new Temple, Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:6-9, they will send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus, and after all that is prophesied before the Return takes place, it is them who say: ‘Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord’!
 
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There is absolutely nothing in the bible that even suggests He might have travelled out of Israel.
I think I said that at the outset, at least about England. We do know that He lived in Egypt for a time.
 
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I think I said that at the outset, at least about England. We do know that He lived in Egypt for a time.
Jesus was just an infant in Egypt, For 2 or 3 years at the most.

As for the 18 years between when He taught in the Temple, to when He was Commissioned, the Bible says nothing.
Most people assume He never left Nazareth then, but those were dangerous times. Tiberius was Emperor; 14 to 37 CE, expanding, conquering and brutally supressing any revolts. Britian was conquered by Caesar in 55BC, then under full control after 47AD. Plenty of records prove how Rome traded with them. Even before the conquest, according to the Greek geographer Strabo, Britain exported gold, silver, iron, hides, slaves, and hounds in addition to grain.

The legends of ancient Britian say Jesus did go there. It was possible and quite sensible. People should seriously consider why they object to it, in the absence of any hard evidence either way.
 
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