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Clearly not the case.
I agree part 1 doesn't apply.
Also clearly not the case.
I disagree. When citizens are attacking agents attempting to stop them form doing their jobs and are attacking federal buildings where agents are located, surrounding agents and attempting to prevent them from doing their jobs thats rebellion.
Also clearly not the case - ICE is still arresting people and deporting them.
They are able to arrest people, but that doesn't mean they are able to arrest everyone they are trying to. There are areas in Chicago where people are preventing them from executing their authority. Those stories need to be told. I've seen plenty of videos from the people themselves and their testimonies of how rhey have chased ICE off and prevented them from doing their job.

There are neighborhoods where they have organized watches where when ICE is seen they blow whistles summoning crowds of people who rush the agents.

In my opinion these two things are happening.
 
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There are neighborhoods where they have organized watches where when ICE is seen they blow whistles summoning crowds of people who rush the agents.
That’s wonderful. I love hearing about communities coming together to protect their own.
 
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No it's ad hominem personal attacks which derail threads.
Pointing out that you aren't answering the question and actively avoiding it isn't a personal attack. It's pointing out the lack of an arguement that you have.
 
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Pointing out that you aren't answering the question and actively avoiding it isn't a personal attack.
That can be done without being rude and insulting. As a matter of fact if that hadn't happened, this derail wouldn't have occurred. I wouldn't perform the task of cutting and pasting readily available information that took a minute to find, because people were being disrespectful in their demand for such.
It's pointing out the lack of an arguement that you have.
Specify please. Based on posts I've made in this thread, what's my alleged argument?
 
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I agree part 1 doesn't apply.

I disagree. When citizens are attacking agents attempting to stop them form doing their jobs and are attacking federal buildings where agents are located, surrounding agents and attempting to prevent them from doing their jobs thats rebellion.
No, that's not a rebellion. It's not organized, nor is it trying to overthrow the government or otherwise seize control of the state.
They are able to arrest people, but that doesn't mean they are able to arrest everyone they are trying to.
Law enforcement is never able to arrest everyone that they try to.
 
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No, that's not a rebellion. It's not organized, nor is it trying to overthrow the government or otherwise seize control of the state.
Rebellion doesn't have to just be about overthrowing the entire government.
Law enforcement is never able to arrest everyone that they try to.
Please don't be so disingenuous. You are a smart guy. I was clear about what I was talking about. I know you didnt miss it. If you need further clarity just ask.
 
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Rebellion doesn't have to just be about overthrowing the entire government.
In a literal definition, sure. But in a legal sense, that's a necessary part - otherwise we'd be dropping the full force of the US military on every teenager.
I was clear about what I was talking about.
As was I. The core of what you said is that ICE can't do everything that it wants to do. That doesn't mean that they're prevented from enforcing the law though.
 
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