Limited vs unlimited atonement?

FredVB said:

There is biblical mention of election. If this means determined salvation it would make it an inconsequential meaning to us as it speaks of God's perspective, that we do not have. When could not tell anyone's election in that sense, we might just see who are Christians now, around us, apart from those who are not really. If we could have certainty with that. We have obligation to still be ready to share anything of the gospel with others in any case. Knowing there is any election makes no difference for us being responsible in these things.

But I do not see election mentioned in the Bible meaning that. Where it is mentioned it is applied to us as believers to be certain of being transformed to be more like Christ.

So I am not fully agreeing to those things. My best explanation is that just consequences to our sins is what Christ was bearing in the planned atonement. The more sins we had the more of the consequences he was bearing. God knew the just balance. So God knew who was coming in response to Christ with the needed repentant faith, while it was made available to any, that everyone had some opportunity, while we have responsibility to help increase the opportunity for any with being ready to share anything of the gospel. Those who will not come to Christ with the needed repentant faith to be restored to God, who knows all that happens, with having more opportunity that way will yet have greater responsibility for their failure to respond rightly.

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A New Dawn said:

John 6. Check that out.

You are creating a dichotomy where none exists. Of course election is from God’s perspective. He has not given us a list of those HE elected for salvation, but that doesn’t mean that God hasn’t selected people of HIS choice for salvation. And to add to this, God selected (for his own reasons) that hearing the gospel preached is how HE chooses to work in those HE chose. So of course we must be ready to share our hope of salvation with others.

Do you have a problem with God choosing Israel as his people? If not, I am confused as to why you would be so upset that God is continuing to choose whom He will for salvation.

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A New Dawn said:

John 6. Check that out.

You are creating a dichotomy where none exists. Of course election is from God’s perspective. He has not given us a list of those HE elected for salvation, but that doesn’t mean that God hasn’t selected people of HIS choice for salvation. And to add to this, God selected (for his own reasons) that hearing the gospel preached is how HE chooses to work in those HE chose. So of course we must be ready to share our hope of salvation with others.

Do you have a problem with God choosing Israel as his people? If not, I am confused as to why you would be so upset that God is continuing to choose whom He will for salvation.

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FredVB said:

Where were you seeing something said indicating I have some problem I speak of that I am or would be upset? I spoke of the word election in the Bible where it is used. Believers are elected to be conformed to the image of Christ. That is the right application for the word. God chose people of Israel, but that choice was not the salvation of all of them. That choice has the revelation from God come through prophets among them with the revelation from God preserved and passed on so fully, and made available to the world, with the prophesied Christ testified in it who we really need. God does choose among us for those God does save, God is not willing that any would perish but they should come to repentance as in 2 Peter 3:9 with their faith in response to God, it is God's grace that is the basis.

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