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Emergency abortion denials by Catholic hospitals put woman in danger, after her water broke at 17 weeks, lawsuit claims

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I did 20 years of Catholicism. Not once did the practice of medicine, law, building trades, accounting, science, engineering, motor vehicle and machinery operation, management, etc., ever come up during the practice of our religion. Likewise in 40 years of employment, never have I ever seen the practice of anyone's religion be part of the work we were doing -- not in a factory, not in a field, not in a classroom, not in the lab.

Not everything a person with a religion does is the "practice of their religion" and medicine certainly falls in that category. Physicians (and nurses and pharmacists, etc.) are all licensed by the state to practice that profession. Religion isn't even relevant to it.
It doesn't sound like you worked for a Catholic run facility where abortions were involved. The Catholic Church is the leader in the pro-life movement. Catholic hospitals and other Catholic medical facilities are not allowed to perform abortions as per directives developed by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. Both the life of the mother and the child are considered valuable.
 
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I will wait for my proverbial "smack in the face" as soon as you are done pulling the sequoia tree stuck in your eye. God bless you. I still love you.

And what sequoia tree might that be? I'll admit that I have proven to be a hypocrite on many things. (We all have, and those who say they haven't are lying). But the stance which some "pro-lifers" take on issues like these is blatantly hypocritical. And trying to act as morally superior while doing it and using diversion tactics like the victim stance being used in this thread just serves to prove that point. These behaviors seem to have become very common in large parts of Christian culture, and that ought not to be so. Personally, I think that God wants us to be smarter and more self-examining than that.

Bless you as well.
 
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The defense against the accusations in both cases is freedom of religion. How convenient is it to just exclude all talk of any defense. Contrary to your assertions, I am doing just the opposite, I am honing in on the defense. In my country a defense in court is supposed to be allowed. I understand in these days statues of Madison and Jefferson are not popular, but the Bill of Rights is a reality.

Again, you're not addressing the issue. You're trying to generalize and hide behind "freedom of religion", instead of examining the principles in the case at hand. Someone being forced to buy health insurance (which is sounds like wasn't the actual case for the Little Sisters of the Poor, but I'll play along) isn't the same as sending someone away to potentially die. And what really needs to be addressed is the contingent of Christians claiming that the latter is, without question, a morally superior action. That position wreaks of self-absorbed pride, haughtiness, and hypocrisy.
 
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It doesn't sound like you worked for a Catholic run facility where abortions were involved.
Why would I have worked at a medical facility? I ain't in that field. (I've never worked at a religious institution of any kind. Shudder.)
The Catholic Church is the leader in the pro-life movement.
I thought it was more of a theological obsession, but we are talking about a church, not a business.
Catholic hospitals and other Catholic medical facilities are not allowed to perform abortions as per directives developed by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. Both the life of the mother and the child are considered valuable.
If the Church can't handle operating medical businesses, then they should find some other place to invest their money.
 
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And what sequoia tree might that be? I'll admit that I have proven to be a hypocrite on many things. (We all have, and those who say they haven't are lying). But the stance which some "pro-lifers" take on issues like these is blatantly hypocritical. And trying to act as morally superior while doing it and using diversion tactics like the victim stance being used in this thread just serves to prove that point. These behaviors seem to have become very common in large parts of Christian culture, and that ought not to be so. Personally, I think that God wants us to be smarter and more self-examining than that.

Bless you as well.
Whoops, so you read this one, huh :angel:.
 
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