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Valletta said:
It was a correction, "When the church of Rome though, completed her climb to the top of imperial support, she ended both the freedom to have the holy scriptures in the vernacular" is the opposite of the truth. That Catholics translated Biblical text into numerous languages of the people is a historical fact.
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Since you are not going to start another topic, I will. So do you believe that allowing certain people to translate scripture but forbidding others to do so as if, oh I don't know, you own them, is not censorship? Who is the Catholic Church to claim ownership of the holy scriptures, and determine who can or cannot translate them into the languages of the various nations? So that all may read and hear the ultimate standard of truth for themselves. Here we are, please do show us all the translations the Catholic church had translated into native tongues that all might have access to this most important work for all professed followers of Jesus Christ to have. No doubt there are as many as there are or were languages of course, as there is no higher standard or revelation of truth above and beyond holy scripture, right?

Bring forth your evidence here, and I will bring forth the evidence of the RCC's censorship again, that all may examine both sides of the issue.
 
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there is no higher standard or revelation of truth above and beyond holy scripture, right?
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John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Many Christians unknowingly idolize the Bible, turning it into a false god by placing its authority above the Holy Spirit. Or simply from spiritual blindness.
 
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timewerx said:
Oops

John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Many Christians unknowingly idolize the Bible, turning it into a false god by placing its authority above the Holy Spirit. Or simply from spiritual blindness.
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2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

All authentic Christians uphold the holy scriptures as the standard of truth all other testimonies are to be judged by. The scriptures themselves claim to be "given by inspiration of God". They are therefore a standard which should not be contradicted. But to the contrary as the above God inspired scriptures state, they are -

"profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

All new professed revelations from God or the Holy Spirit, should then of course be compared to this standard for authenticity. If it contradicts the plain testimony of that already given by inspiration of God, the Holy Spirit, it is to be rejected.
 
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timewerx said:
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John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
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John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
Many Christians unknowingly idolize the Bible, turning it into a false god by placing its authority above the Holy Spirit. Or simply from spiritual blindness.
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A false conflict when the Holy Spirit does not contradict himself in his own God-breathed word (2 Tim 3:16). . .
 
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2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

All authentic Christians uphold the holy scriptures as the standard of truth all other testimonies are to be judged by. The scriptures themselves claim to be "given by inspiration of God". They are therefore a standard which should not be contradicted. But to the contrary as the above God inspired scriptures state, they are -

"profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

All new professed revelations from God or the Holy Spirit, should then of course be compared to this standard for authenticity. If it contradicts the plain testimony of that already given by inspiration of God, the Holy Spirit, it is to be rejected.
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Nothing in there says the scriptures is above the Holy Spirit in authority nor in standard nor revelation of truth according to your original question.
 
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Clare73 said:
A false conflict when the Holy Spirit does not contradict himself in his own God-breathed word (2 Tim 3:16). . .
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The Word of God never becomes the scriptures and Jesus never refers to scriptures as the Word of God. Because the Word of God has always manifested as a living entity - God >> Jesus >> Holy Spirit.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us...

John 14:17
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

The Word became flesh (Jesus) and made His dwelling among us (Holy Spirit). The Word of God never became the scriptures and it already dwells inside those the Holy Spirit finds its dwelling.

2 Corinthians 3:3
It is clear that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

Hebrews 10:15-16
15The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First He says: 16“This is the covenant I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts and inscribe them on their minds.”

It's ironic I have to quote scriptures about verses telling the Word of God did not become scriptures and rather telling us, if we have the Holy Spirit in us then we already have he Word of God in us.
 
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timewerx said:
Nothing in there says the scriptures is above the Holy Spirit in authority nor in standard nor revelation of truth according to your original question.
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Nobody said anything about being above the Holy Spirit. To the contrary, they are Holy Spirit inspired. You speak about the scriptures and the Holy Spirit as though they are two different things, they are not. The scriptures are the testimony of the Holy spirit of God to humanity. From which alone, you or anyone else even knows about the Holy Spirit of God. You may of course choose to separate them if you wish, I will and do not. Without them, we could all just argue and claim that we are the one's who really have the Holy spirit of God, and everyone should listen to us. As many have and do. Nevertheless the Holy Spirit of God inspired the following testimony to prevent such a situation by providing a manual as it were, for checking the truth or authenticity of the countless different claims from humanity concerning it.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Pretty simple really.
 
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