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You are avoiding the facts on the ground, and just saying "Hey look at this other subject over here!"
Answer the question. Why are Latin looking people being grabbed off the streets? Mum's abducted in New York with their teenage daughters screaming on the side of the road? What is RIGHT about any of this?
I thought that you understood that criminals are being arrested for their crimes. Glad we got that cleared up; by why make bring race into it?
 
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Yeah - they certainly didn't bother communicating anything to that teenage girl I'm talking about. If you haven't seen it - google it. Or hundreds of stories like it.
If you have a point to make; don't expect me to go on a wild goose chase, doing the leg work, to find the anecdotal evidence, that some might use as a platform to justify lawlessness.
 
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STYLE: And the violence - the teenager daughter - the masks? How about identifying themselves properly and NOT wearing masks?
What does that have to do with due process? Why change the subject?
How about street gangs dressing up like that to kidnap people?
Do you mean Antifa? Where are the calls from the Democratic politicians of the sanctuary cities to make it illegal for terrorists to wear masks as they practice Anarchy?
We're talking about Stormtrooper tactics.
I do see the parallels between Antifa and the Brown Shirts.
Funny how Republicans were anti-mask during Covid when it really mattered - but PRO MASK when the Stormtroopers arrive!
I don't think that it's funny at all that Authoritarians forced the American people to wear masks in a situation where they didn't work; but now that those Authoritarians have lost their power; they spout vitriol that rallies masked terrorists to place bounties on those who defend law and order, and tear the masks of the officers who wear them to protect their lives from the terrorists.

I do not support masked terrorists. I do support law enforcement having the proper equipment to protect their own lives; as they protect the American people from terrorists.
 
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Well - not national boundary laws - but they DO commit half the violence, and a QUARTER the property crime and theft of American born citizens. So there's that.
Police are reluctant to arrest illegal aliens; and judges are reluctant to convict them; so you can only make you cqase on the data that you have available.

Garbage in...garbage out.

Fortunately that is changing.

How many American had died from fentanyl under the past Administration? Would you consider poisoning a large portion of our population a violent crime?
 
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They are required to ensure the child's welfare
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It's interesting how MAGA supporters are starting to adopt Trump's paranoia and definitions of things.
Did you know you had done that?
Why do you feel the need to use inflammatory language to defend your indefensible position?
 
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Terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."
It's about inflicting terror on the people. 9/11 and the London Bombings are terrorism.
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This is obstruction. I'm going to define obstruction as "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against government agencies perceived to be illegitimate, in the pursuit of crowd justice."
It's about inflicting inconvenience on the government.
I'm confused. Are you saying that you support the terrorists who rammed the law enforcement officers with their vehicle, while armed with an automatic long gun?
 
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I thought that you understood that criminals are being arrested for their crimes. Glad we got that cleared up; by why make bring race into it?
There are various kinds of crimes and various ways of apprehending criminals. I think what is concerning many people is what they see as a policy to treat all illegal aliens as if they were violent offenders.
 
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There are various kinds of crimes and various ways of apprehending criminals. I think what is concerning many people is what they see as a policy to treat all illegal aliens as if they were violent offenders.
Many of them are violent offenders. For example the recent arrest with assistance with a helicopter and snipers in the arrest of cartel members who were illegally selling firearms.

Do you think that law enforcement should have just written them tickets, and been on their way?

If it had been parents at PTA meeting, complaining about homosexual themes being pushed on their children; the last administration might have called in the SWAT team to tackle them.

Oh, and BTW, you didn't answer my last question.

Nice red herring.
 
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If I had said "Trump will overthrow democracy" that would be hyperbole. But that I give it a 5% chance of actually happening?
Radical, far Left, Antifa, terrorist, Anarchists, are attempting to overthrow Democracy.

Their chances for success approach zero.
 
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(When you do magic hand waving, try to remember which hand holds the secret or you'll give the trick away.)
Flawed study. Not enough studies and no systematic reviews.
Remember my request for evidence?
Remember my refusal to do that anymore?
I'm talking about how you feel, and how you write.
What would you want the country to do?
Why do you vote the way you do?
I think we should have immigration laws and we should expect people to abide by them.
But I still maintain that justifying Trump's dog-whistling to Proud Boys

Off topic.
and with them our relationship between God's people (the church) and the relevant authorities of the day (the state).

because while we are not under the theocratic rule of the OT - we are under its moral obligations.
We are as individuals. Scripture is written to us as individuals and not to tell the secular state how they should run their country. Unless you are wanting the state to outlaw all sexual sin, gossip, lying and such. Or do you just think we should only push for part of scriptural morality and not all of it?
That group outside your borders that you do not like
Who said I dont like them? Since when does wanting people to follow the law equal not liking them?
To Americans it could very well be the kind hearted immigrant family who DID in fact just flee their country because of the drug gangs extortion demands now moving to stealing their teenage daughters.
Sure and rhey should go through the process. You ate ignoring the fact that the vast majority don't meet the criteria.
Yes you should! Both conscience and law require that you apply the international convention of human rights and well being of refugees diligently and carefully.
I agree.
Those who respect reality LET their minds be changed by data!
You should know that data can be manipulated. And how data is collected is also important. And data changes. I prefer to look at all rhe things. A prime example is the data that often surrounded transgenderism.

Dont take data at face value. Do more research to see if thwre are problems with it and determine if its really reliable or not. I have done that and don't believe its reliable. So, I'm not going to be convinced and neither are you on that subject so let's just agree to disagree.
 
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(When you do magic hand waving, try to remember which hand holds the secret or you'll give the trick away.)
Flawed study. Not enough studies and no systematic reviews.
Remember my request for evidence?
Remember my refusal to do that anymore?
I'm talking about how you feel, and how you write.
What would you want the country to do?
Why do you vote the way you do?
I think we should have immigration laws and we should expect people to abide by them.
But I still maintain that justifying Trump's dog-whistling to Proud Boys

Off topic.
and with them our relationship between God's people (the church) and the relevant authorities of the day (the state).

because while we are not under the theocratic rule of the OT - we are under its moral obligations.
We are as individuals. Scripture is written to us as individuals and not to tell the secular state how they should run their country. Unless you are wanting the state to outlaw all sexual sin, gossip, lying and such. Or do you just think we should only push for part of scriptural morality and not all of it?
That group outside your borders that you do not like
Who said I dont like them? Since when does wanting people to follow the law equal not liking them?
To Americans it could very well be the kind hearted immigrant family who DID in fact just flee their country because of the drug gangs extortion demands now moving to stealing their teenage daughters.
Sure and rhey should go through the process. You ate ignoring the fact that the vast majority don't meet the criteria.
Yes you should! Both conscience and law require that you apply the international convention of human rights and well being of refugees diligently and carefully.
I agree.
Those who respect reality LET their minds be changed by data!
You should know that data can be manipulated. And how data is collected is also important. And data changes. I prefer to look at all rhe things. A prime example is the data that often surrounded transgenderism.
 
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STYLE: And the violence - the teenager daughter - the masks? How about identifying themselves properly and NOT wearing masks? How about street gangs dressing up like that to kidnap people? We're talking about Stormtrooper tactics. Funny how Republicans were anti-mask during Covid when it really mattered - but PRO MASK when the Stormtroopers arrive!
This seems a bit hysterical.
1. They do identify themselves as required by policy and law. To bad if you don't like it.
2. They are allowed to wear masks. For their own protection from the scum who wish to dox and threaten them and their families. To bad if you don't like it.
3. They aren't street gangs nor arw they kidnapping people. Making lawful arrests and detentions are legal and have been for MANY MANY years. To bad if you don't like it.
4. Calling them storm troopers is helping to get them assaulted and one of the reasons they have to wear masks. To bad if you dont like it, but your rhetoric is part of the problem.

Masks in this case and COVID is apples and oranges and irrelevant.
 

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We are the only ones with a Statue of Liberty and the Emma Lazarus poem "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free....send these the homeless, tempest tossed to me."

The new poem would go something like this: "Bring five million, and you're welcome. Empty-handed, then you're pond scum."
 
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MOD HAT ON

This thread has had a cleanup to remove some posts that were using an unacceptable nickname to flame Democratic Party members.

Analyzing the ideological composition of the Democratic party is off-topic to this thread as well.

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