Illegal Immigration

[HARK!]

It's not a conspiracy if it's done openly.

That's a ridiculous statement.

 

[HARK!]

Evidence?

SAN DIEGO (Border Report) — About 80 percent of asylum-seekers who come to the United States are being rejected and sent back home, according to Luis Miranda, Assistant Secretary for Communications with the Department of Homeland Security.

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/80-of-asylum-seekers-rejected-dhs-official-says/

 

[HARK!]

Wouldn't it be great if instead of multiplying the hostile kidnapping arm of ICE by 15 fold - Trump had maybe just DOUBLED the calm, orderly processing of undocumented migrants?

Arrest is not kidnapping. The first is legal, and necessary. The second is a crime.

 

[HARK!]

You know - even psychologically assess them - get back ground checks, and let in some of this river of gold legitimately to resolve the issues you've mentioned above.

That is difficult to do when they break in illegally. If you posted an add for a roommate; and some criminal broke into your home ans squatted there; would you apply the same standard?

Find the criminal and insane!
Process the law abiding and respectful!

This administration is working on that by telling them to get in line and wait their turn.

Prevent those bosses operating indentured servitude like business models with the undocumented!

Many of these bosses are criminal aliens. This administration is working on that too.

 

[MrMoe]

Evidence? Oh - and as we have shown - they might be undocumented - but they're not as criminal as American born citizens with half the violent crime, a quarter of the theft, etc. It might be fun to get all judgie and repeat 'criminals' because they fled some horrible poverty - but remember God's heart for the poor? How do you think God sees these people? They might have broken national boundary laws - but if you want to rate them by biblical standards of law - go ahead and check out how God asked Israel to treat the alien?

God definitely sees these people and he wouldn’t want them to sin by breaking a countries laws.

That fact is these people broke a law, so there should be a penalty for breaking that law. It’s that simple. The fact that these people commit less crimes than the rest of the American population is irrelevant.

Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly. Leviticus 19:15

There are several verses warning against showing partiality. You are showing partiality to the poor.

Using tautologies to hammer your point?

Ironic given that you keep finding different ways to bringing up the argument that these illegal immigrants are poor and commit less crime so should be allowed to stay.

In some countries the American embassy is watched by people who will do bad things to refugees trying to flee by proper means. By all means push the tired old meme of an orderly queue - but next time you have YOUR teenage daughter kidnapped by drug-gangs you couldn't pay your 'protection money' to - and she's sold into the sex trade - get back to us on the necessity of proper paper work!

Evidence? Meanwhile there is documentation of smugglers killing those they are smuggling.

Archived: Sixth Human Smuggler Convicted for Role in Horrifyingly Brutal Smuggling Scheme

HOUSTON – A sixth and final human smuggler was convicted for his role in a brutal human smuggling scheme that resulted in the murder of two migrants who were unable to pay their smuggling fees.

www.ice.gov

Do you support raising the racial tensions in America,

That’s entirely the fault of the left, who make just about everything into a race issue. This is about illegal immigration not about race.

masked men pulling families apart, the extremely controversial and expensive harnessing of the National Guard for pointless political theatre, and raising the ICE budget 15 fold rather than just doubling the processing of the undocumented hardworking MAJORITY?

Tautology.

There's one thing behind all this - a fear from WASPs that they will not be the majority any more in America.
That's it.

If that was really the case then there would be a movement to stop legal migration too. And there’s nothing wrong with wanting to preserve one’s own culture.

And Trump sure knows how to blow that dog-whistle! "Proud boys stand back and stand by!"

I don’t see what relevance that quote has to illegal immigration.

 

[eclipsenow]

What lie about vast majority?

Sigh. Don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about. Trump's constant foaming-at-the-mouth rants about illegal immigrants all eating the dogs, being rapists, etc. The way he rants.

He has been dog-whistling to racism. Or - in recent years - maybe not even that?
"Trump has put down his racist dog whistle and picked up a bull horn"

https://theconversation.com/trump-has-put-down-his-racist-dog-whistle-and-picked-up-a-bull-horn-176523'

Officials who are being doxed not giving criminals a break based on race? Those poor deported criminal Europeans, profiled for breaking the law while being White.

You are avoiding the facts on the ground, and just saying "Hey look at this other subject over here!"
Answer the question. Why are Latin looking people being grabbed off the streets? Mum's abducted in New York with their teenage daughters screaming on the side of the road? What is RIGHT about any of this?

ICE facilities; but the cops don't have to tell you which jail they are taking a criminal to; if it's none of your business.

Yeah - they certainly didn't bother communicating anything to that teenage girl I'm talking about. If you haven't seen it - google it. Or hundreds of stories like it.

Arrest is part of due process.

STYLE: And the violence - the teenager daughter - the masks? How about identifying themselves properly and NOT wearing masks? How about street gangs dressing up like that to kidnap people? We're talking about Stormtrooper tactics. Funny how Republicans were anti-mask during Covid when it really mattered - but PRO MASK when the Stormtroopers arrive!

OTHER OPTIONS: What about announcing a calmer, more orderly option for refugees to walk in to the new asylum claim centres? Making these people 'legal's' instead of the ILLEGAL CRIMINALS the MAGA crowd want to resort to calling every last man, woman and child?

Rhetoric matters in sensitive matters like this.

But MAGA would rather their taxes went into punitive ethnic stereotyping anti-immigration efforts than - say - a department of education. Than schools and hospitals. Let's increase ICE spending 15 FOLD IN ONE YEAR and get those 'other coloured' people out - because there's a conspiracy to replace white people as the dominant, majority race - or something....

"Proud boys - stand back and stand by!"

If an American murders someone; are the police required to consult their daughter before making an arrest?

They are required to ensure the child's welfare - and not leave her standing alone on the streets of New York.

Antifa terrorists don't have a right to attack Federal officials.

SEND IN THE GUARD! Portland looks like WW2! It really does - Trump said so!

Antifa doesn't respect the rule of law. Neither do criminal aliens.

Well - not national boundary laws - but they DO commit half the violence, and a QUARTER the property crime and theft of American born citizens. So there's that.

I don't think that this administration is doing enough to stop the terrorists. Just yesterday an ICE vehicle was blocked by 10 vehicles, while one of those vehicles rammed the ICE vehicle. One of the terrorists was found to be armed with a semiautomatic firearm.

It's interesting how MAGA supporters are starting to adopt Trump's paranoia and definitions of things.
Did you know you had done that?

Terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."
It's about inflicting terror on the people. 9/11 and the London Bombings are terrorism.

This is obstruction. I'm going to define obstruction as "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against government agencies perceived to be illegitimate, in the pursuit of crowd justice."
It's about inflicting inconvenience on the government.

In the same way, your attempt at brushing aside Sociology 101 about Trump's "othering" as "hyperbole" fails. I think you need to brush up on some definitions of these things.

His behaviour is textbook othering. He was trained by Roy Cohn - one of McCarthy's apprentices back in the "Reds under the bed" scare of the 1950's. It's textbook. Now - I'm not saying Trump is going to succeed in overthrowing American democracy! I'm not saying he's smart enough to actually achieve that. But the effort is there.

If I had said "Trump will overthrow democracy" that would be hyperbole. But that I give it a 5% chance of actually happening? I'm not sure that is hyperbole. Some I talk to think that's even hyperbole the other way - in hoping and assuming American democracy will survive this period!

 

[HARK!]

Sigh. Don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about. Trump's constant foaming-at-the-mouth rants about illegal immigrants all eating the dogs, being rapists, etc. The way he rants.

He has been dog-whistling to racism. Or - in recent years - maybe not even that?
"Trump has put down his racist dog whistle and picked up a bull horn"
https://theconversation.com/trump-has-put-down-his-racist-dog-whistle-and-picked-up-a-bull-horn-176523'

I followed the link to the source of your vitriol; and here is what I found:

 

[HARK!]

You are avoiding the facts on the ground, and just saying "Hey look at this other subject over here!"
Answer the question. Why are Latin looking people being grabbed off the streets? Mum's abducted in New York with their teenage daughters screaming on the side of the road? What is RIGHT about any of this?

I thought that you understood that criminals are being arrested for their crimes. Glad we got that cleared up; by why make bring race into it?

 

[HARK!]

Yeah - they certainly didn't bother communicating anything to that teenage girl I'm talking about. If you haven't seen it - google it. Or hundreds of stories like it.

If you have a point to make; don't expect me to go on a wild goose chase, doing the leg work, to find the anecdotal evidence, that some might use as a platform to justify lawlessness.

 

[HARK!]

STYLE: And the violence - the teenager daughter - the masks? How about identifying themselves properly and NOT wearing masks?

What does that have to do with due process? Why change the subject?

How about street gangs dressing up like that to kidnap people?

Do you mean Antifa? Where are the calls from the Democratic politicians of the sanctuary cities to make it illegal for terrorists to wear masks as they practice Anarchy?

We're talking about Stormtrooper tactics.

I do see the parallels between Antifa and the Brown Shirts.

Funny how Republicans were anti-mask during Covid when it really mattered - but PRO MASK when the Stormtroopers arrive!

I don't think that it's funny at all that Authoritarians forced the American people to wear masks in a situation where they didn't work; but now that those Authoritarians have lost their power; they spout vitriol that rallies masked terrorists to place bounties on those who defend law and order, and tear the masks of the officers who wear them to protect their lives from the terrorists.

I do not support masked terrorists. I do support law enforcement having the proper equipment to protect their own lives; as they protect the American people from terrorists.

 

[HARK!]

Well - not national boundary laws - but they DO commit half the violence, and a QUARTER the property crime and theft of American born citizens. So there's that.

Police are reluctant to arrest illegal aliens; and judges are reluctant to convict them; so you can only make you cqase on the data that you have available.

Garbage in...garbage out.

Fortunately that is changing.

How many American had died from fentanyl under the past Administration? Would you consider poisoning a large portion of our population a violent crime?

 

[HARK!]

They are required to ensure the child's welfare

supreme court police have no duty to protect at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

duckduckgo.com

 

[HARK!]

It's interesting how MAGA supporters are starting to adopt Trump's paranoia and definitions of things.
Did you know you had done that?

Why do you feel the need to use inflammatory language to defend your indefensible position?

 

[HARK!]

Terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."
It's about inflicting terror on the people. 9/11 and the London Bombings are terrorism.

 

[HARK!]

This is obstruction. I'm going to define obstruction as "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against government agencies perceived to be illegitimate, in the pursuit of crowd justice."
It's about inflicting inconvenience on the government.

I'm confused. Are you saying that you support the terrorists who rammed the law enforcement officers with their vehicle, while armed with an automatic long gun?

 

[BCP1928]

I thought that you understood that criminals are being arrested for their crimes. Glad we got that cleared up; by why make bring race into it?

There are various kinds of crimes and various ways of apprehending criminals. I think what is concerning many people is what they see as a policy to treat all illegal aliens as if they were violent offenders.

 

[HARK!]

There are various kinds of crimes and various ways of apprehending criminals. I think what is concerning many people is what they see as a policy to treat all illegal aliens as if they were violent offenders.

Many of them are violent offenders. For example the recent arrest with assistance with a helicopter and snipers in the arrest of cartel members who were illegally selling firearms.

Do you think that law enforcement should have just written them tickets, and been on their way?

If it had been parents at PTA meeting, complaining about homosexual themes being pushed on their children; the last administration might have called in the SWAT team to tackle them.

Oh, and BTW, you didn't answer my last question.

Nice red herring.

 

[HARK!]

If I had said "Trump will overthrow democracy" that would be hyperbole. But that I give it a 5% chance of actually happening?

Radical, far Left, Antifa, terrorist, Anarchists, are attempting to overthrow Democracy.

Their chances for success approach zero.

 

[rjs330]

(When you do magic hand waving, try to remember which hand holds the secret or you'll give the trick away.)

Flawed study. Not enough studies and no systematic reviews.

Remember my request for evidence?

Remember my refusal to do that anymore?

I'm talking about how you feel, and how you write.
What would you want the country to do?
Why do you vote the way you do?

I think we should have immigration laws and we should expect people to abide by them.

But I still maintain that justifying Trump's dog-whistling to Proud Boys

Off topic.

and with them our relationship between God's people (the church) and the relevant authorities of the day (the state).

because while we are not under the theocratic rule of the OT - we are under its moral obligations.

We are as individuals. Scripture is written to us as individuals and not to tell the secular state how they should run their country. Unless you are wanting the state to outlaw all sexual sin, gossip, lying and such. Or do you just think we should only push for part of scriptural morality and not all of it?

That group outside your borders that you do not like

Who said I dont like them? Since when does wanting people to follow the law equal not liking them?

To Americans it could very well be the kind hearted immigrant family who DID in fact just flee their country because of the drug gangs extortion demands now moving to stealing their teenage daughters.

Sure and rhey should go through the process. You ate ignoring the fact that the vast majority don't meet the criteria.

Yes you should! Both conscience and law require that you apply the international convention of human rights and well being of refugees diligently and carefully.

I agree.

Those who respect reality LET their minds be changed by data!

You should know that data can be manipulated. And how data is collected is also important. And data changes. I prefer to look at all rhe things. A prime example is the data that often surrounded transgenderism.

Dont take data at face value. Do more research to see if thwre are problems with it and determine if its really reliable or not. I have done that and don't believe its reliable. So, I'm not going to be convinced and neither are you on that subject so let's just agree to disagree.

 

[rjs330]

(When you do magic hand waving, try to remember which hand holds the secret or you'll give the trick away.)

Flawed study. Not enough studies and no systematic reviews.

Remember my request for evidence?

Remember my refusal to do that anymore?

I'm talking about how you feel, and how you write.
What would you want the country to do?
Why do you vote the way you do?

I think we should have immigration laws and we should expect people to abide by them.

But I still maintain that justifying Trump's dog-whistling to Proud Boys

Off topic.

and with them our relationship between God's people (the church) and the relevant authorities of the day (the state).

because while we are not under the theocratic rule of the OT - we are under its moral obligations.

We are as individuals. Scripture is written to us as individuals and not to tell the secular state how they should run their country. Unless you are wanting the state to outlaw all sexual sin, gossip, lying and such. Or do you just think we should only push for part of scriptural morality and not all of it?

That group outside your borders that you do not like

Who said I dont like them? Since when does wanting people to follow the law equal not liking them?

To Americans it could very well be the kind hearted immigrant family who DID in fact just flee their country because of the drug gangs extortion demands now moving to stealing their teenage daughters.

Sure and rhey should go through the process. You ate ignoring the fact that the vast majority don't meet the criteria.

Yes you should! Both conscience and law require that you apply the international convention of human rights and well being of refugees diligently and carefully.

I agree.

Those who respect reality LET their minds be changed by data!

You should know that data can be manipulated. And how data is collected is also important. And data changes. I prefer to look at all rhe things. A prime example is the data that often surrounded transgenderism.