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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

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I am not God, I cannot keep anyone out of heaven, I do not have the key.
Yes, I've heard that story before: Not me, but God.

No, it's just you, kind of. In light of Mark 4:15 I wouldn't even say it's you
Jesus saves those who ask to be saved, and mean it.
Oh, you mean God is only "contingent" upon man? Is that for real?

God can't save enemies of the Gospel? Are you sure? Romans 11:26-32 shows otherwise.
He does not force those who do not wish to go.
Don't you know that people are slaves to our adversary? Who says that's only their decision when there's another party in this deal? Why doesn't your position have a factor for blinded slaves, you know, like you and i were prior to? Eph. 2:2
 
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The issue is relying on out of context verses to make a theology.
As opposed to your methodology using verses to eliminate ALL the multiple verses that don't fit your position?
Take 1 John 4:7 for example. Look at what comes after:
What makes you think the statement of 1 John 4:7 is eliminated by what comes after?
Only those that confess Jesus is the Son of God remain in God’s love.

What makes you think you can draw a line between God and Love? You think Love requires some contrived doctrine attached to make Love valid? I don't think so.
lol I hold no formulas and me, a tiny created being, can never make an infinite being contingent. Think about what you are saying. This is an emotional fallacy.
Tiny created you just make the God of all creation completely worthless for anyone unless "that tiny little person" makes God valid. It's kind of an absurd claim, don't you think? I'd much rather say people can NOT believe unless the God of all creation lets them. But I know that's not the eternal case either. Once people are removed out from under their captor, the DEVIL, then all will believe. Some see sooner is all. Don't ask me why. Wasn't my call.

No one has an excuse.
So, just to be clear, everyone born prior to Christ, everyone who never heard the Gospel, all mentally challenged people, and hey, maybe toss in the kids in for the eternal torch. You're writing all these off?

Do we have to revisit enemies of the Gospel being saved in Romans 11:26-32?
The Bible CLEARLY teaches that faith is necessary for salvation. There is no wiggle room here but God does as He wills.

Trying to play it both ways above doesn't work.

I've cited 1 John 4:7 showing everyone who loves knows God and is born of God. I've even asked you if you have ever actually felt that warmth in your own heart when loving someone or doing good acts. I think it's universal to every person who's ever lived. I've cited Romans 11:26-32 showing even enemies of the Gospel being saved. I've cited Jesus being the Savior of the world, state multiple places in scripture. I've even cited FAITH works through LOVE which means anyone who LOVES has FAITH, Gal. 5:6. Yet you insist on some specific methodology to eliminate all of these things, as if God can only be moved via recitation of some 1 - 4 step specific recitation like some form of magic formula, but only if you really believe in that magic formula.
The difference is that those in Christ have been justified and cleansed of all sin through Christ sacrifice while those that are not in Christ remain in their sins. Big difference here.

Well, if you think you're sinless that's a whole nuther can O heretic worms.
 
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You do realize that verse and those above it are not talking about Satan and his devils right? They are talking about those that take the mark and worship the beast.
What makes you think it's not the devil and his messengers?

Either of us can take Rev. 14:8 and march it directly over to Rev. 18:2 and figure out exactly to WHOM "they" refer to, who are being tormented

And once again, Christ is very clear about the second death. And I will certainly take his word over yours.

Once the Lake of Fire has served it's purpose it will cease to exist. It will be a "former thing" and afterwards Christ will make all things new.
I've said many times I have no issues with either the permanent termination of the devil and his messengers or their permanent setting aside in the LoF.

For your loved ones, family and neighbors who don't happen to believe like you having the same fate? Not a chance I'd buy that story when there is such an OBVIOUS enemy to observe that is not them, who also happened to be OUR CAPTOR too, prior to. Eph. 2:2
 
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