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The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread
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One of the bones of contention is that the ACA subsidies are being removed, which will cause some people's insurance costs to skyrocket. Ultimately many will lose medical insurance if they can't or won't pay that increase out of pocket.
It has nothing to do with citizenship status.
ACA Marketplace Premium Payments Would More than Double on Average Next Year if Enhanced Premium Tax Credits Expire
In other words, expiration of the enhanced premium tax credits is estimated to more than double what subsidized enrollees currently pay annually for premiums—a 114% increase from an average of $888 in 2025 to $1,904 in 2026.
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I am not saying this is your personal attitude, and hopefully not any Christians, but on the idea as a whole: Do we want Trump to harm democratic cities and states? I don't because then GOP places will be targeted even more from Democrats in the future. Plus even democrats were enemies, (which they are not) shouldn't we love them, and try to go out of our way to work with them? This current tone also is quite toxic. It creates divisions and hate. Yes, we can see some things from elections, but whoever wins and loses the best posture is to work to satisfy all Americans.
Consider America's first policies. Won't the first be last? Does it promote America abroad or are we now increasingly being seen as enemies, where some people are now going out of their way to avoid our products?
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To judge I think we wold need more specifics. But yes in general both sides use tactics that are undesireable. I suppose in this case the American voters will decide. However, in a government shutdown, some Americans will suffer more than others, depending on what their needs might be. Always better to not be dependent on the government anyway, but there are times when it is unavoidable.
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The health care cuts are not just for legal immigrants who work enough to qualify for Obamacare subsidies. The premiums Trump is cutting are for all Americans who use those health care subsidies. And yes, I do know poeple that are on those plans. I can understand though that those with employer health insurance may not want to help others get such benefits. That instead some prefer larger tax cuts for the wealthy, or other government options.
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For anyone thinking that democrats are not in favor of using federal tax paying dollars to pay for the Healthcare of illegal immigrants.
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Yeah, they are nonessential until wait time when you call is 30 minutes and in person the line is out the door. I’ve been through this a number of times and its never fun.
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Republicans have been claiming that the Democrats are forcing the shutdown because they want to make illegal immigrants eligible for government health care. While at least some Democrats may want this, the Republicans' argument is a red herring. It's irrelevant because making illegal immigrants eligible for govt. health care is not in the proposal the Democrats are offering.
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Demanding 1.5 Trillion in additional spending for their vote for a CR is insane and will come back to bite Democrat leaders who are actually using extortion to attempt to get their way.
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It’s not a tool! It is hypocrisy plain and simple. Many of these same Democrat leaders are on record in the past saying shutting the government down is not acceptable and yet they are playing follow the leader and doing what they recently decried. They own this and will pay the political price.
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It is very effective at losing any credibility the Democratic leadership may have had left. Fetterman, the one who many Democrats thought was unfit to serve shows more common sense than most of the rest.
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I'm not sure if you're the best person to judge that. If I had asked you how much credibility the democratic party has a few weeks ago, you would probably have said "none". So, that's a net zero change.
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