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The Greek word used for confess in this verse is Exomologeo- here is the definition - To acknowledge, openly and joyfully, to celebrate, to give praise to without reservations.
Gladly is part of the definition, it is those who think that it is a forced confession that have skewed this verse. If you think that God accepts forced or coerced confessions you are most surely wrong.
I don't understand why this is so hard to understand, 1 Tim 2:3-6 its God will that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. God told us what his will is and so many try to undermine Gods will.
I simply cannot understand why some insist on interpreting Philippians chapter 2:10-11 as being a forced confession … except that their theological paradigm requires it. Their is absolutely NOTHING in this passage that even remotely indicates a forced confession. NOTHING …

This passage is perfectly capable of standing on its own merits, within the context of this chapter, to point the reader to acknowledge the truth that:

”Therefore God also highly exalted him and gave him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.“
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2‬:‭9‬-‭11‬ ‭EHV‬‬

The fuel that propels the Gospel forward is Divine Love. This is seen in the fruit produced within the Person of Jesus Christ. Paul‘s use of “therefore“ points the reader to behold the very mind of The Christ operating and functioning in its most profound way. I simply cannot see anything other than Divine Love fulfilling its objective stated in 2:10-11. Here it is if anyone cares to demonstrate their interpretation leading to a forced confession:

”Indeed, let this attitude be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus. Though he was by nature God, he did not consider equality with God as a prize to be displayed, but he emptied himself by taking the nature of a servant. When he was born in human likeness, and his appearance was like that of any other man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death—even death on a cross. Therefore God also highly exalted him and gave him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.“
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬-‭11‬ ‭EHV‬‬

Stay true to your heart brother and be blessed …
 
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But unbelief is a sin. Think of the first sin in the Garden of Eden. The devil, in the form of the serpent, cast doubt into Eve's mind: ""Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?" (Genesis 3:1). The serpent went on to say:

“Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.” (Ge 3:4 NKJV)

Eve believed him, and in doing so, did not believe God.
If you considered that the tempter was within, as Jesus shows in Mark 4:15, I'd suggest it was not even Eve, but the tempter within Eve.

When we bring the tempter into our scriptural pictures our sights must change and we might even stop blaming and accusing people. Hey! Who does that? wink wink
 
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Then why is Christ telling people to repent when they fall? So much that if they don't overcome they could have their names blotted out of the book of life?
When we repent we "turn from darkness and the power of Satan."

How does that work? We recognize Satan is the perp pawning our minds and even acts.

IF you think it's only you you haven't repented.

And guess what? Satan doesn't stop sinning, ever.
And if you read below one verse-

II Corinthians 5:20 "Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."

Only those reconciled to God will have their sins blotted out.
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
There's a condition there. If it was a done deal as you suggest Paul would not be praying for anyone to "be ye reconciled" That's on the person and in said in a present state. So you once again are taking things out of context.
I'd only suggest the tempter has stolen a LOT from your mind AND this happens with everyone one way or another, because of this theft/thief. Nothing personal. We all see as through a glass, darkly
 
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I'd only suggest the tempter has stolen a LOT from your mind
No, my mind is just set for when we need the gospel armor on and in place if I happen to be here during that "evil day" I know Satan for who he is and what role he's going to play sometime in the future. This has always been about God vs Satan. And we know who has the victory. But it still means one should do their part and most importantly wait on the true Christ and not fall away to the fake one that arrives first. That's what being a watchman is all about.

When I fall short/miss the mark and sin today, I realize this and get back on the path.

When we repent we "turn from darkness

You said people do not have sins counted against them. So try again. Who is Christ talking to in his letters to the churches? He's talking about their deeds/ sin and how much they have fallen, ect. Hint, it's certainly not the devils. Again, they're not in the book of life So your conclusion is wrong. Sins are very much accounted to the people and if they don't repent and overcome, they are in danger of having the names blotted out. Christ's words, not mine.

As you stated Satan doesn't stop sinning and we know he's not in the book of life. So who's in danger of having their names blotted out?



Jesus died for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Yes, he did but unless one reconciles them self to Christ they will not take part. We are told again and again, they will perish. You keep claiming you accept every word but it's clear you don't.


AND this happens with everyone one way or another, because of this theft/thief. Nothing personal. We all see as through a glass, darkly
You're still ignoring the point. If nothing has to be done on our part why is Paul praying that we "be reconciled"?
 
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No, my mind is just set for when we need the gospel armor on and in place if I happen to be here during that "evil day" I know Satan for who he is and what role he's going to play sometime in the future. This has always been about God vs Satan. And we know who has the victory. But it still means one should do their part and most importantly wait on the true Christ and not fall away to the fake one that arrives first. That's what being a watchman is all about.

When I fall short/miss the mark and sin today, I realize this and get back on the path.
The destruction of Satan and his messengers will transpire within mankind, collectively
You said people do not have sins counted against them. So try again.
We've done this drill numerous times, with scripture.

You don't want your sins counted against you but could care less about fixating sins on other people. I consider such acts not of the person, but of our adversary.
Who is Christ talking to in his letters to the churches? He's talking about their deeds/ sin and how much they have fallen, ect. Hint,
The hint is the working of Satan transpired in all 7 churches of Rev and all other churches and all other people who've ever lived save One
it's certainly not the devils. Again, they're not in the book of life
I can only speculate how many times you've fallen and then supposedly put yourself back in good graces

Not one time in any repentant person have they made themselves sinless. No, not once. Why? Because the adversary continues to work in all, regardless. You just can't seem to bring this into focus. Again, no blame on you. People don't see it because God doesn't allow them to.
As you stated Satan doesn't stop sinning and we know he's not in the book of life. So who's in danger of having their names blotted out?
Any person who is dominated over by Satan is not in the book of life in this present life. This does not preclude their salvation. Romans 11:26-30 shows us even enemies of the Gospel are saved through zero work of their own
Yes, he did but unless one reconciles them self to Christ they will not take part.
When any person is removed from Satan's grip, whether in this life or the next, they'll all see just fine
We are told again and again, they will perish. You keep claiming you accept every word but it's clear you don't.
We all perish because of sin in case you missed the obvious. Numerous citing, Romans 8:10, Col. 3:3 for a couple easy ones
You're still ignoring the point. If nothing has to be done on our part why is Paul praying that we "be reconciled"?
Some see now. Really a remnant. Most won't see til later. But all captives will be set free sooner or later. And our mutual adversaries will perish
 
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The destruction of Satan and his messengers will transpire within mankind, collectively
False, we see in Revelation he will be thrown into the Lake of Fire on his own. This is before mankind is at the judgement seat.

We've done this drill numerous times, with scripture.
You still can't answer a simple question. You take one verse out context and yet when scripture is provided that yes, sins do count against the people you ignore it and go another direction.

We have to take the bible a a whole so who is Christ talking to? Who is in danger of having their names blotted out if they don't see how far they've fallen and repent when asked of the churches? Can you answer this? No, because it causes your entire belief system to crumble.

fixating sins on other people
Reading Christ's Revelations and warnings to the churches is fixating, how so? This is directed towards all of us who have fallen into sin, etc. If I fall away and don't come to repentance- my sins will be counted against me. And I would be in danger of having my name blotted out. Not sure where you're getting the idea I'm separating myself from anyone else that sins. But repentance is still the key and always has been.

There is no hint. Christ is talking to people. They are the only ones in danger of having their names blotted out. You continue to keep blinders on regarding this fact.

can only speculate how many times you've fallen and then supposedly put yourself back in good graces
Countless

Not one time in any repentant person have they made themselves sinless.
Again, who said anyone was sinless. It's about a new way of thinking and renewing one's mind. Meaning someone "wants" to put God's will over their own. We always fall short and sin but there's a difference which you continue to fail to see.

is not in the book of life in this present life.
Try again,, we see at Judgement anyone not found written in the book of life (this isn't about Satan and his angels) will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is the Second Death.

Christ states that blessed are those in the first resurrection because the Second Death has no power over them. Meaning it still has power over everyone else.

Any person who is dominated over by Satan is not in the book of life in this present life. This does not preclude their salvation. Romans 11:26-30 shows us even enemies of the Gospel are saved through zero work of their own

Romans 11 is talking about grafting the Gentiles in. And by Israel's fall that was opened up to the Gentiles and by doing so, driving Israel back. And when they do how much more the fullness.

Romans 11:11 "I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy."

Romans 11:14 "If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.


And he'll be adding some souls in the process.




And you're still taking this out of context. It's still about belief.


Romans 11:30 "For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy they also may obtain mercy."

Romans 11:31 "Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy."


When Israel did not believe they were broken off and therefore the Gentiles were grafted in that they do might obtain mercy. But it is still about abiding and belief. So you are false in your claim that through no work of their own was involved -

Romans 11:20 "Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith, Be not highminded, but fear:


Romans 11:21 "For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest He also spare not thee."

Romans 11:22 "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."


No work of their own?? Sounds like having your name blotted out doesn't it?

Romans 11:23 "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."

That's the goodness of God certainly that if they abide not still in unbelief. That's the condition. You need to read entire chapters verse by verse to not lose the context of what is being spoken about.

God is not the author of confusion.

We all perish
Again, you are missing the distinction in even the simplest of verses. We aren't talking about the perishing of the flesh.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

II Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."


Belief and repentance are always still the key. And sadly we see many follow Satan even in the end, countless even in the battle at the end.

Some see now. Really a remnant. Most won't see til later. But all captives will be set free sooner or later. And our mutual adversaries will perish
You still didn't answer the question. Why is Paul telling them to "be reconciled" That's a present action. Not a done deal.

But all captives will be set free sooner or later.
Unbiblical. I'll trust that Christ is speaking truth when talking about the book of life and the second death.



 
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False, we see in Revelation he will be thrown into the Lake of Fire on his own. This is before mankind is at the judgement seat.
Matt 25 tells us exactly how. There's only 2 parties disclosed therein: People and the devil and his messengers, the latter sent to the flames.
You still can't answer a simple question. You take one verse out context and yet when scripture is provided that yes, sins do count against the people you ignore it and go another direction.
Just because you're led to not realize who is who isn't my problem. Both counting sins and not counting are applied to every person---> because it's the person and the tempter. It's never a one or the other sight.
We have to take the bible a a whole so who is Christ talking to? Who is in danger of having their names blotted out if they don't see how far they've fallen and repent when asked of the churches?
See above. Blotting and not blotting again applies to ALL
Can you answer this? No, because it causes your entire belief system to crumble.
Already answered at length. Your position just can't seem to grasp the fact of captives and adverse captors.
Reading Christ's Revelations and warnings to the churches is fixating, how so? This is directed towards all of us who have fallen into sin, etc.
Every Word applies to everone. Again and again. Obviously your positions can't account for the obvious other parties.
If I fall away and don't come to repentance- my sins will be counted against me.
See above. They'll be counted and not counted. Your repentance avails the tempter and his own exactly nada.
And I would be in danger of having my name blotted out. Not sure where you're getting the idea I'm separating myself from anyone else that sins. But repentance is still the key and always has been.
The blotting is already imposed. The evil in no one is escaping.
There is no hint. Christ is talking to people. They are the only ones in danger of having their names blotted out. You continue to keep blinders on regarding this fact.
So says your one sided sight in complete blindness of the adversary in the picture
Countless


Again, who said anyone was sinless.
and sin is of the devil
It's about a new way of thinking and renewing one's mind. Meaning someone "wants" to put God's will over their own. We always fall short and sin but there's a difference which you continue to fail to see.
Avails the tempter zero
Try again,, we see at Judgement anyone not found written in the book of life (this isn't about Satan and his angels) will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is the Second Death.
No devils will make it through
Christ states that blessed are those in the first resurrection because the Second Death has no power over them. Meaning it still has power over everyone else.
The Savior saves all people who are captives and destroys the captors. Your position can't seem to get this picture. Nothing personal. I know who I'm addressing.
Romans 11 is talking about grafting the Gentiles in. And by Israel's fall that was opened up to the Gentiles and by doing so, driving Israel back. And when they do how much more the fullness.
All of Isreal shall be saved, even enemies of the Gospel who were quite purposefully blinded by God putting a spirit upon them. Romans 11:8, Mark 4:15, 2 Cor. 3:14, 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2 etc etc
Romans 11:11 "I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy."

Romans 11:14 "If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.


And he'll be adding some souls in the process.
They will ALL be saved regardless of bearing the enemy who blinds them.
And you're still taking this out of context. It's still about belief.
Anyone who loves knows God and is born of God. Your position is simply stingy.
Romans 11:30 "For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy they also may obtain mercy."

Romans 11:31 "Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy."


When Israel did not believe they were broken off and therefore the Gentiles were grafted in that they do might obtain mercy. But it is still about abiding and belief. So you are false in your claim that through no work of their own was involved -

Romans 11:20 "Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith, Be not highminded, but fear:


Romans 11:21 "For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest He also spare not thee."

Romans 11:22 "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."


No work of their own?? Sounds like having your name blotted out doesn't it?

Romans 11:23 "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."

That's the goodness of God certainly that if they abide not still in unbelief. That's the condition. You need to read entire chapters verse by verse to not lose the context of what is being spoken about.
Romans 12:26, they'll ALL be saved regardless.

In the meantime they may remain blind. God's call.
God is not the author of confusion.
Yet God confused the language of the people at the tower of Babel.

Guess who God confuses and fights against?

If you say these devil and his messengers you'd be correct. One sided views just can't cut the mustard.
Again, you are missing the distinction in even the simplest of verses. We aren't talking about the perishing of the flesh.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

II Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."


Belief and repentance are always still the key. And sadly we see many follow Satan even in the end, countless even in the battle at the end.
The tempter remains in the equations regardless of his denials in people.
You still didn't answer the question. Why is Paul telling them to "be reconciled" That's a present action. Not a done deal.
Being reconciled to the fact never changed the fact.
Unbiblical. I'll trust that Christ is speaking truth when talking about the book of life and the second death.
Jesus Is The Savior of the world. He's also the destroyer of the world of devils.

When you get around to getting all the parties on the table of honesty let me know
 
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They will ALL be saved regardless
The scriptures clearly state that is not true. And of course when taking things out of context and cherry pick certain verses, we can make it state anything we want to.

I guess we're finished. I'd rather take the bible as a whole and trust it with subjects on the second death, who's in danger of it, etc.
 
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