Israel-Hamas Thread II

Benaiah468 said:

Sanders demands that "Palestinians" be treated with ‘dignity and respect.’ One should ask him why people who promote genocide and incite murder deserve to be treated that way.

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Because 'the Palestinian people' and 'the terrorists' are not identical groups of people.

But, over the last two years, Israel has not simply defended itself against Hamas. Instead, it has waged an all-out war against the entire Palestinian people.

essentialsaltes said:

Because 'the Palestinian people' and 'the terrorists' are not identical groups of people.

But, over the last two years, Israel has not simply defended itself against Hamas. Instead, it has waged an all-out war against the entire Palestinian people.

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"All-out war" is pretty much the last word that should come to mind when we see how Israel is really acting in Gaza. Those responsible for "all-out-war" do not provide for their alleged victims, do not warn them of attacks, and do not set up escape routes or humanitarian zones.

UN panel that determined genocide in Gaza...

The “Sumud flotilla” is a propaganda tool of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Behind the supposed “peace flotilla” sailing to Gaza with celebrities and activists are, in reality, Hamas officials and the Muslim Brotherhood. Greta Thunberg serves as a media figurehead, nothing more.

The “Sumud Flotilla,” currently heading for the Gaza Strip, is often portrayed in the European media as a pacifist solidarity campaign. However, a report by the Israeli Ministry of Diaspora Affairs, presented by Minister Ami chai Chikli, exposes the mission for what it really is: an internationally supported propaganda project by Hamas and its ideological allies in the Muslim Brotherhood.

The flotilla's “steering committee” boasts prominent names, most notably Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg. However, according to the report, Thunberg is merely a “front figure”, not responsible for the political line and by no means a central part of the organization. The real leadership lies with individuals whose connections to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood have been documented for years.

One of these actors is Saif Abu Keshk, a "Palestinian" activist based in Barcelona. He is a member of the steering committee and was arrested by Egyptian security authorities in Jun 2025 for his leading role in the “March to Gaza” campaign. He organized this campaign together with Yahia Sarri, an Algerian preacher affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. Sarri is in direct contact with Hamas officials such as Zaher Jabarin and Osama Hamdan.

The report cites further examples:

Muhammad Nadir al-Nuri, a Malaysian activist who founded several Hamas-controlled projects in Gaza.

Marouan Ben Guettaia, a close associate of Sarri who is also active in the flotilla.

Wael Nawar, a member of the organizing committee, documented in meetings with Hamas and other terrorist organizations.

According to the ministry, the Global Sumud Flotilla is not focused on humanitarian aid, but rather on political impact:

“The so-called freedom project is nothing more than a propaganda tool for Hamas jihadists. Their leaders and spokespeople maintain open contacts with Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and other terrorist groups.”

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Chikli put it clearly: European parliamentarians participating in this mission must ask themselves whether they stand for peace or provide cover for terrorists.

The revelations fit into a larger pattern: for decades, the Muslim Brotherhood has been using NGOs, associations, and social movements as a facade to occupy political and media platforms. In Europe, it is financially supported by Qatar, while Turkey acts as its protective power. Hamas emerged from this ideological and organizational environment and deliberately exploits Western credulity to camouflage its war propaganda.

The fact that personalities such as Greta Thunberg lend their names to such projects brings international attention to the initiators. But while the media focuses on the celebrities, the real leadership hides behind terrorist networks. The flotilla, which gives the impression of being a “peace voyage,” is in reality an extension of Hamas propaganda, with the aim of delegitimizing Israel internationally.

Europe now faces a clear question: Will it knowingly allow terrorist organizations to exploit Western societies for their PR work? Or will it take action by finally setting limits on the political and financial structures of these front organizations?



The revelations of the Diaspora Ministry are a wake-up call. Those who side with this flotilla are not supporting peace, they are backing Hamas.

He is considered the last strongman of Hamas in Gaza: Izz al-Din al-Haddad, architect of the Oct 7 massacre, now commands the fight in the narrow streets of Gaza City. For Israel, this means a tough but inevitable battle against a terrorist network that continues to prioritize violence over life.

The Israeli ground offensive in Gaza City has a new focus: the last major commander still holding together the shattered terrorist organization Hamas. Izz al-Din al-Haddad, 55, is nicknamed “Ghost of the Shadows”, a remnant of his years of underground activity. After the targeted killing of Mohammed Sinwar, he effectively took over the leadership of Hamas' military wing.

His role is doubly perfidious: Al-Haddad was a co-planner of the Oct 7 massacre, responsible for the abduction of hostages and for building the terrorist structures that are now turning Gaza City into a battlefield. Security circles assume that up to 10,000 armed men are waiting for Israeli soldiers in the narrow streets, tunnels, and ruins, led by a man who solemnly swears to his own fighters that he will be “on the front line.”

A former hostage reported that al-Haddad had stored photos of numerous abductees on his cell phone and told him to his face: “I am responsible for you.” In the first few months after the kidnapping, he had been demonstratively caring, but later changed his attitude radically, after his eldest son was killed in an Israeli airstrike.

For the hostages, he thus became a symbol of arbitrariness and power. For his own people, he remains the commander who threatens escape and surrender with death. In a recently intercepted letter, he ordered his subordinates to remain in the city and prepare for a “long defensive battle”: weeks and months of resistance, whatever the cost. Anyone who disobeys the order must expect to be executed by their own comrades.

A few weeks ago, the Israeli army published a photo documenting al-Haddad's grotesque attempt to change his face. A man who claims to be a “people's hero” undergoes cosmetic surgery to remain unrecognized amid the rubble. The image speaks volumes: while residents of Gaza City survive in tents and ruins, the Hamas leader ensures his own survival and continues to play the fighter.

This is the contradiction on which Hamas has built its reputation for decades: its leaders preach self-sacrifice and “martyrdom” while they themselves survive in bunkers or tunnels and alter their appearance so as not to be recognized.

For Israel, one thing is certain: the battle for Gaza City will not only be a military struggle, but also a symbolic one. Eliminating al-Haddad would mean the loss of the last coherent leader of Hamas' military wing. This would leave the remaining 10,000 fighters without leadership and at the same time show that terror against Israel always leads to defeat in the end.

But the price is high: street fighting in a destroyed city, the danger of booby traps, and the risk of further losses. Israel's army emphasizes that it is acting systematically, with the greatest possible consideration for the civilian population – while Hamas continues to abuse them as a human shield.

Al-Haddad tries to portray himself as a hero. But reality paints a different picture: a man who has led his people to ruin, who changes his appearance to save his own life while sending others to their deaths. For the residents of Gaza, he is not a “ghost,” but the embodiment of the catastrophe that Hamas has brought upon them.

The battle for Gaza City is thus more than a military operation. It is an attempt to close a dark chapter and to put an end to a man who has long since proven himself to be the gravedigger of his own society.

Benaiah468 said:

In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) conducted a study on anti-Semitism in one hundred countries and entities. The top ten countries, in each of which over 80 per cent of the population holds anti-Semitic views, all belong to the Arab and Muslim world. The "West Bank" and Gaza topped the list with 93 per cent. Despite this fact, Sanders believes that good relations between the United States and Israel should depend on Israel improving its relations with the "Palestinians".

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For some reason, people continue to use the term 'anti-Semitic' by which they mean anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist or anti-Israel.


The point being that many of the people in this conflict are Semitic people, so it is just as useful to accuse Netanyahu of being anti-Semitic in his endeavour to obliterate Gaza to create a playground for the rich and famous, as it is to accuse HAMAS or the Palestinian people of being anti-Semitic.