Jesus was crucified on Thursday

Dave Watchman said:

I'm also on the Good Friday Team. But I never thought about: "If Christ had been dead for 72 hours then His body would have begun to decay and would have "seen corruption". That's a pretty good one. I might add that to my repertoire.

The way I understand it is that Christ was Crucified on Friday, April 7, 30AD. The evidence for timing of this can then force the understanding of the text. I can go back to Leviticus, get the instructions for Passover, and use calendars from that time to count the new moon and find the time when Jesus said in Luke:

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Many Christians and Bible scholars place the crucifixion in 33 AD, on Friday, April 3, not 30 AD. But it might well be that the crucifixion happened in 30 AD. I will need to study the differences between the two—some place the crucifixion in 32 AD, others on a Wednesday in 31 AD. "In the heart of the earth" doesn't seem to fit well with "in the hands of evil men". It was not just death, but a location where Jesus would be. Jesus should have said he would be in the hands of evil men three days and three nights if what is meant. Once a man kills you he has no more power to torment you further.

Luke 12:4
“I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do.

So, once Jesus died, there was nothing more that evil men could do to him. Since Jesus gave a location for himself to be in the heart of the earth, I see no need to start from his capture. He indeed prophesied he would be in the hands of sinful men, but he didn't say he would be in the hands of sinful men for three days and three nights.

Falling into the hands of wicked men and being scourged and beaten did indeed fall on the same day he died but Jesus did not say he would be in the hands of wicked men three days and three nights. Once he died there was nothing more they could do with him.

A human body begins to decay as soon as the breath is gone (i.e. dead).
Jesus body would never see decay. Simple. Ever. No matter how long He was in the grave.

side note from web for those who wonder about the truth with so many false teachings abounding today:

"The best information which we have is the actual written account, which says that Joseph of Aramathia had to hurry to get Jesus body buried before nightfall (during twilight), and Mary arrived to the empty tomb in the dark on the day (night) on the first day of the week (gentile Saturday after dark), after the Sabbath. If we believe that the recorded prophesy of Jesus came true, that He would be in the heart of the earth for "three days and three nights", then we must back up by three days and three nights to find the actual day of their (can I say "messed-up") week to find what day Jesus died. Days of the week are very arbitrary by those in power (see the 12 days of Christmas). Presuming that Jesus' declared "three days and three nights" didn't count just a couple of minutes of twilight as one of the three days, then Jesus would have resurrected at twilight on the third day.

Counting backward three full 24 hour days (72 hours), we arrive at evening twilight on Wednesday, and that Jesus died on a Wednesday.

But it is far easier to simply use God's calendar, on which Jesus died on the 14th of Abib, 14 days after the new moon, ie. At the time of the full moon. So that year it would have fallen on a Wednesday, but God had the Hebrews using a lunar calendar, rather than our solar calendar."

Petros2015 said:

I would say we have a solid 1 in 7 odds here.

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Humanly speaking; yet the Jews had no such difficulty nor trouble.
It wasn't until the antichrist, "instead of Christ", infiltrated , within a few hundred years, maybe less,
that deception was iincorporated into christendom.
As written in Scripture, the whole world is deceived. Not some of the world, no. The whole world. In English.

None-the-less, for all who listen to Jesus and not to men, they have a very sure hope in Jesus to , seemingly slowly at times, have the truth revealed to them. What no man is able to figure out, is written in one or more places.

So what then? Ask Jesus. Listen to Jesus. Trust Jesus.

Bobgf said:

So Jesus was in the grave for four sunsets (i.e. sunset Wednesday, sunset Thursday, sunset Friday, and sunset Saturday) ? IMO that seems to come close to four days in the grave, not three.

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Love and Keep Seeking The Truth Bob. There is/are/ only a couple place on the internet to find the simple accurate truth. This always has only spawned arguments/ dissension/ disagreements on forum(s), but the truth is gentle, peaceful, and wholly , completely, in absolute pure and simple harmony with every Word of Scripture, not like forum discussions.

Dave Watchman said:

The trouble with that is the three days timing reads as not just the time Jesus was dead, but from when sinful man was able to lay hands on Him, His "hour" had come when His ordeal began. It wasn't just the time He spent in the tomb.

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Jesus did not say the time would begin when he was captured by the guards and the priests. He didn't claim he would be three days and three nights in the hands of sinful men but three days and three nights IN the heart of the earth. The heart of earth does not necessarily mean the exact center of the planet, but I believe it means a subterranean region of the world known as Sheol to the Jews and Hades to the Greeks and Romans. The island of Tyre was said to be in the heart of the sea, even though it was about a mile offshore. Jonah's three days and three nights in the great fish began when he was swallowed by the fish, and Jesus's time in the heart of the earth would begin when his soul went to Sheol or Hades at his death. That would literally be IN something.

I believe when Jesus said he would be three days and three nights in the earth, he would be INSIDE the earth like Jonah was three days and three nights INSIDE the whale. Actually, that is what it means to me, IF Jesus actually said that. But I believe it was a scribal emendation or gloss. If it is literal, then that creates contradictions elsewhere in scripture. Everywhere it mentions Jesus rising on the third day, after three days and in three days would become a contradiction. Jesus did not say three nights and three days, but three days and three nights. He knew he would die during daylight time and resurrect on the third day.

Dave Watchman said:

The Passover count for 30AD shows the first "night" of the three was Thursday night when Jesus was caught in the Garden of Gethsemane. The heart of the earth wasn't just the grave as we had assumed. The numbers force the understanding. The price action makes for the market commentary. Maybe Jesus was directing us to Jonah also for the heart of the seas. Thrown into the jeering crowd of many peoples yelling Crucify Him! The world had Him, the heart of the earth.

Thursday night, and Good Friday daytime, was the first "day."

It didn't start on Thursday day, because on Thursday daytime, Jesus' "hour" had not yet come. He had not yet been delivered into the hands of sinners. He and His disciples were still having a good time, making preparations in those Thursday daylight hours, to eat the Lord's Passover, which would commence at Thursday night sundown. It still hadn't sunk into the disciples minds what was about to take place.

"So Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat it.” - Luke 22:8​

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"And when the hour came, he reclined at table, and the apostles with him. And he said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.- Luke 22:14-15.​

"Before I suffer.

"Look, the "hour" has come = the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners.

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Yes, his hour had come when he would be delivered into the hands of sinful men, but not his sojourn in the heart of the earth. That came hours later.

Dave Watchman said:

The Lord's Passover came at sundown on Thursday night April 6, 30AD. It was Thursday night, after they ate Passover, when Jesus allowed Himself to be caught, and said: "Look, the "hour" has come, and the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners. That began the three day and night timing.

Passover, the Lord's Passover, was based on the conjunction of the new moon in March, which would begin 14 days later at sundown on Thursday evening April 6, 30AD.

The Passover of the Jews, based on the sighting of the first sliver of the silvery moon, was a full day too late. Lol.

(In Numbers 9 it says that it's a sin to eat the Passover outside of it's appointed time, or not according to it's stated parameters.)

So since we know that Jesus did not sin, we also know that the Last Supper was the True Passover. The Lord's Passover.

And that it began on Thursday evening at sundown.

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Once Jesus died, he was no longer in the hands of sinful men. Jesus told us that once you are dead, mankind has nothing further he can do to you. So, Jesus was not in the hands of sinful men for three days and three nights but, rather, one night and one day.

Saber Truth Tiger said:

Nice to know you are still around. I am a young 68. Although my body is getting old my mind is still young. Did you post on this topic when you were Old Shepherd?

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When I first joined, about 20 yrs ago, I posted as Old Shepherd then the original owner Irwin Loh asked me to join the staff. My posts were sometime a bit abrasive and Irwin chastised me since I was on staff. That is when I took the additional name of Der Alte, German for the elder, for posting and OId Shepherd only for moderating so as not to cause trouble.

prodromos said:

My understanding is that it is simply a figure of speech known as synecdoche, where the part implies the whole, or the whole implies the part, like 15 'head' of cattle or 'England' beat 'Wales' in the rugby. Three days and three nights is three whole "day and night" implying the parts, Friday afternoon, the whole of the Sabbath, and the beginning of Sunday. This does not contradict the many times Christ said He would rise on the third day and is in keeping with the prophecy of Psalm 16:10 that He would not see corruption. Christ was buried before sunset on Friday and rose after sunset on Saturday, a little over 24 hours, having rested in the tomb on the 7th day as foretold in the creation account in Genesis. If Christ had been dead for 72 hours then His body would have begun to decay and would have "seen corruption".

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I disagree, if GOD had chosen to, the body of Jesus would not have seen corruption no matter how long He laid in the grave. And to repeat a previous post.
All four gospels agree that Jesus was crucified on παρασκευήν/paraskeve. The Greek name for the day we call Friday and which means preparation

except for when preparation was on 4th day

Der Alte said:

I disagree, if GOD had chosen to, the body of Jesus would not have seen corruption no matter how long He laid in the grave. And to repeat a previous post.
All four gospels agree that Jesus was crucified on παρασκευήν/paraskeve. The Greek name for the day we call Friday and which means preparation

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Mar_15:42 AndG2532 nowG2235 when the evenG3798 was come,G1096 becauseG1893 it wasG2258 the preparation,G3904 παρασκευήν that is,G3603 the day before the sabbath,G4315​

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Luk_23:54 AndG2532 that dayG2250 wasG2258 the preparation,G3904 παρασκευήν andG2532 the sabbathG4521 drew on.G2020​

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Preparation was what the Jews called Friday because Friday was the day to prepare for the weekly Sabbath. Food needed to be cooked, housework needed to be done, and so on. However, the Preparation of the Passover was usually not on Friday. Passover had to be prepared for, which involved sweeping, rearranging furniture, and removing all leaven from the house. The least little bit of leaven left in the house could be wrong for that household. John 19:14 refers to the Preparation for the Passover. Now, it is true that the Preparation of the Passover fell on the same day of the week as παρασκευήν the week Jesus died. So, it was both Friday (παρασκευήν) and Preparation (παρασκευήν) of the Passover.

It is possible however, that παρασκευήν of the Passover could refer to the Friday of Passover. That's the view Samuelle Bacchiocci takes in his book on the day of the crucifixion and resurrection.

Here is more:

Prosabbaton and Preparation Day is Friday

Der Alte said:

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Joh_19:42 ThereG1563 laidG5087 they JesusG2424 thereforeG3767 because ofG1223 theG3588 Jews'G2453 preparationG3904 day; παρασκευήν forG3754 theG3588 sepulchreG3419 wasG2258 nigh at hand.G1451​

6 verses found, 6 matches​

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Saber Truth Tiger said:

Preparation was what the Jews called Friday because Friday was the day to prepare for the weekly Sabbath.

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The deception is that the high shabbat is ignored to "change the days" as it were, from what happened and when, to something different. Since the world powers play along, politics, religious, with the powerful and the popular deceptions, finding the truth requires seeking truth, quite contrary to society and its ills.

Hi Aaron112, good to see you on this thread. Nisan 15 was not known as a Sabbath when Jesus died. If it fell on the weekly Sabbath the Sabbath was called a high day. That's why the Sabbath after Jesus died was called a high day (greek: Great). It was called a high day because it was an annual holy day that fell on the weekly Sabbath. Nisan 15 would not always fall on a Sabbath. Sometimes it could fall on either day of the week but the year Jesus died Nisan 15 fell on the weekly Sabbath.

The Sadducees controlled Temple worship in Jesus's lifetime and they determined the holy days according to their beliefs. They did not buy the Pharisee's beliefs that Nisan 15 was a Sabbath. Some 20 years after Jesus's death the Pharisees gained control of the Temple worship after Rabbi Yohanon ben Zakkai, a Pharisee, gained leadership of Nasi, or leader of the Sanhedrin.

Find a search engine you trust and search for who controlled Temple worship when Jesus was alive.


Can Nisan 15 be referred to as “the sabbath”?

Saber Truth Tiger said:

Find a search engine you trust and search for who controlled Temple worship when Jesus was alive.

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no need.
before the internet was even thought of,
the Jewish and gentile followers of Jesus already knew the truth, but not many (i.e. few).
Most people for 2000 years have simply surrendered to 'popular' promoted ideas from the wrong ones.

Aaron112 said:

no need.
before the internet was even thought of,
the Jewish and gentile followers of Jesus already knew the truth, but not many (i.e. few).
Most people for 2000 years have simply surrendered to 'popular' promoted ideas from the wrong ones.

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-CryptoLutheran

Jesus Himself spoke in parables to the general public, not to make the truth clearer, but to conceal it from those outside His inner circle, so that "seeing they may see and not perceive, and hearing they may hear and not understand". This was not an accident of communication but a deliberate act, as the mystery of the kingdom of God was given to the disciples, while the rest remained in spiritual darkness. The Apostle Paul also affirmed that the gospel was hidden from the minds of the unbelieving world, who are blinded by the god of this age.