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It's disgusting for the man to do this but where are the freedom of speech Kirk fans?
Freedom of speech doesn't mean if you say something offisive about someone who was just murdered, to someone who's mourning their death, that you won't get punched in the nose.

It sort of falls in with freedom of speech doesn't mean you get to yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater.
 
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Free speech only matters on the right. As for a Godly person. They would not beat down someone, that need spiritual help.
We're not fully God. Only Jesus was.

...As for me, I'm a well known sinner!
 
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Freedom of speech doesn't mean if you say something offisive about someone who was just murdered, to someone who's mourning their death, that you won't get punched in the nose.
I certainly wouldn't blame them. It reminds me of Westwood Baptist Church doing this at military funerals.
 
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This "conclusion" is neither valid or sound. In fact, it's not even fully coherent in a way that demonstrates to others like myself that your intended referents are clearly identifiable. What actually is "perfection"? Does anyone have a demonstrable, empirical metric by which to measure any entity as such? I think not. We need to leave be a reliance upon the hubris that comes with particular superlatives.

The best you can say, really, is that you presently don't perceive of any proof for a supernatural origination of the Biblical books. The mere fact that it is possible to discuss the meanings of those books ( via Hermeneutics? ) doesn't imply a proof that there is nothing supernatural whatsoever about those books.

This is what happens when a person slides ahead and reads nothing but atheistic and critical literature, but fails to also engage Epistemology, Historiography and the Philosophy of History, and a host of various interdisciplinary topics that make up the greater field of Hermeneutics.
Right. The greater field of hermenuetics seems to amount these days to nothing but the same, "if the Bible is the word of God it must be thus-and so" fallacy that you are accusing NxNW of.
But, I get it: your central concern for the topic of Abortion undercuts any concern you could ever feel for the need that others have for religion, or for the Christian faith.
 
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Right. The greater field of hermenuetics seems to amount these days to nothing but the same, "if the Bible is the word of God it must be thus-and so" fallacy that you are accusing NxNW of.

Is that what those like Jens Zimmermann or Christian Smith or Peter Enns or Kenton L. Sparks are saying..........precisely? Uh. No. It's not.

We both know there are obviously varied positions within "Christian" Heremeneutics. However, whatever the case is among evangelicals, when I'm referring to ***Hermeneutics***, I'm speaking of the wider field of Philosophical Hermeneutics and its use of Critical Realism, not merely 'biblical hermeneutics.'

So, please reel back in the attempt to expose what you think is a fallacy on my part, especially if you've never taken the time to vet out my position.

Finding a fallacy that I've committed isn't impossible, but it's going to require laborious and time consuming effort which, as far as I can tell over the last several years, no one here has ever engaged or shown signs of being willing to engage.
 
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Is that what those like Jens Zimmermann or Christian Smith or Peter Enns or Kenton L. Sparks are saying..........precisely? Uh. No. It's not.

We both know there are obviously varied positions within "Christian" Heremeneutics. However, whatever the case is among evangelicals, when I'm referring to ***Hermeneutics***, I'm speaking of the wider field of Philosophical Hermeneutics and its use of Critical Realism, not merely 'biblical hermeneutics.'

So, please reel back in the attempt to expose what you think is a fallacy on my part, especially if you've never taken the time to vet out my position.

Finding a fallacy that I've committed isn't impossible, but it's going to require laborious and time consuming effort which, as far as I can tell over the last several years, no one here has ever engaged or shown signs of being willing to engage.
My comment was not directed at you specifically (and you must admit that you are far from the hermeneutical position of Conservative thinking on hermeneutics). NxNW's remarks about the "perfection" of the Bible was not his own opinion but a comment about how the Bible has been represented to him as an authority for the conservative political agenda.
 
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My comment was not directed at you specifically (and you must admit that you are far from the hermeneutical position of Conservative thinking on hermeneutics). NxNW's remarks about the "perfection" of the Bible was not his own opinion but a comment about how the Bible has been represented to him as an authority for the conservative political agenda.

Ok. That I can understand, and I agree with what you're saying then. Thank you for the clarification on that point.
 
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And what epistemic insinuation would you like for me to draw from your sci-fi-horror analogy?
That humans can conceive of a better method to convey a supernatural message than the one that is purported to have been used by an actual supernatural being.

Although that has very little to do with epidemic insemination.
You're right, your implied analogy is creative and interesting. But so were Metropolis, Logan's Run and Dune.
Well, not Logan's Run, Farrah's disappointing cameo aside. The texts of those books have been better preserved than the Biblical texts that were supposedly passed down.
That's a terribly artificial and subjectively contrived criterion by which to gauge the supernatural origin of some entity or of a historically embedded religion.
It's reasonable to expect more from an omniscient being.
 
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That humans can conceive of a better method to convey a supernatural message than the one that is purported to have been used by an actual supernatural being.
The thing is, you can think you conceive of one, but you'll only be doing it from the vantage point of a finite, limited capacity human being, one subject immediately to the Infinite Regress problem once you've thought up your fictional "godlike" communication theory. Nothing is fool-proof, not even a message from God.
Although that has very little to do with epidemic insemination.
You're right. It has nothing to do with "epidemic insemination," but everything to do with epistemic deliberation.
Well, not Logan's Run, Farrah's disappointing cameo aside. The texts of those books have been better preserved than the Biblical texts that were supposedly passed down.
Of course they've been better preserved. Have you by chance done much study of informal fallacies?
It's reasonable to expect more from an omniscient being.

As an existentialist and an evidentialist, I have no expectations for anything supernatural in a world that gives me basically nothing by which to survive death anyway. So, I'll take any scraps that the Divine might be throwing our way. For some, the glass is 3/4's empty. For others, it appears to be completely empty, and when that's the case, I can only offer my empathy. But for my part, I don't expect miracles.
 
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My comment was not directed at you specifically (and you must admit that you are far from the hermeneutical position of Conservative thinking on hermeneutics). NxNW's remarks about the "perfection" of the Bible was not his own opinion but a comment about how the Bible has been represented to him as an authority for the conservative political agenda.

Funny how he didnt mention how the Bible is used as an authority for the liberal political agenda.
 
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The thing is, you can think you conceive of one, but you'll only be doing it from the vantage point of a finite, limited capacity human being, one subject immediately to the Infinite Regress problem once you've thought up your fictional "godlike" communication theory. Nothing is fool-proof, not even a message from God.
My puny brain is too small to have a fairly accurate conception of what an omnipotent God would be like?

Okay then, I shan’t even try.
Thanks for the tip.

As an existentialist and an evidentialist, I have no expectations for anything supernatural in a world that gives me basically nothing by which to survive death anyway. So, I'll take any scraps that the Divine might be throwing our way. For some, the glass is 3/4's empty. For others, it appears to be completely empty, and when that's the case, I can only offer my empathy. But for my part, I don't expect miracles.
You must have a great deal of faith to believe in a God that doesn’t do miracles, (anymore).

As a deist I acknowledge that there might be some sort of God or other, but evidence for this Being is scant inside the material universe, but that’s not “all there is” anyways, huh?
 
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