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Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

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Gen 15:6 says it all. Abraham didn't know Christ let alone His revelation-he just believed God in any case.
His faith in the promise of God, Seed (Ge 15:5); i.e., Jesus Christ, was credited (imputed) to him as righteousness (Ge 15:6),
the same way righteousness is credited (imputed) in the NT (Ro 1:17, 3:21, 4:5, Php 3:9).
That he didn't know what had not been fully revealed does not mean he did not believe in the promise (i.e., Jesus Christ),
just as the Jews didn't "know" the Messiah would be God, and in rejecting him they were rejecting God.
But there were nevertheless held accountable for rejecting what they did not know (i.e., God).
 
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His faith in the promise of God, Seed, i.e., Jesus Christ, was credited (imputed) to him as righteousness (Ge 15:6),
the same way righteousness is credited (imputed) in the NT (Ro 1:17, 3:21, 4:5, Php 3:9).
That he didn't know what had not been fully revealed does not mean he did not believe in the promise (i.e., Jesus Christ),
just as the Jews didn't "know" the Messiah would be God, and in rejecting him they were rejecting God.
But there were nevertheless held accountable for rejecting what they did not know.
One can't believe in Jesus without knowing him, let alone knowing and believing in what He did. Belief is the object of knowledge, IOW. Abraham, simply, with the knowledge he had, believed God. And that faith was a righteous act indeed, especially as it was confirmed by his willingness to act. And it pleased God greatly.
 
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One can't believe in Jesus without knowing him, let alone knowing and believing in what He did. Belief is the object of knowledge, IOW. Abraham, simply, with the knowledge he had, believed God.
An integrated understanding of the OT shows otherwise (Ge 15:6), as does the NT (Ro 4:3, 20-24, Gal 3:6).

Belief in the promise (Ge 15:5, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16) was counted as belief in Christ which saves (Ge 15:6).

Salvation has been by faith in Jesus Christ, the Seed, since Abraham.
 
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An integrated understanding of the OT shows otherwise (Ge 15:6), as does the NT (Ro 4:3, 20-24, Gal 3:6).

Belief in the promise (Ge 15:5, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16) was counted as belief in Christ which saves (Ge 15:6).

Salvation has been by faith in Jesus Christ, the Seed, since Abraham.
More speculative than integrated here, IMO. Abraham didn't know his seed, only that there would be one, and many, as is also indicated in Gen 15. This is echoed in Abraham's blind trust in the promised land.
"By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going." Heb 11:8

He didn't need to know how it would all be worked out; he simply trusted God, and that belief was counted as righteousness. That belief in God is just and results in justice/righteousness in ourselves and therefore in our world. Again, it's what Adam lacked, followed by faith's compadres: hope and love. That would've excluded Adam's sin, his disobedience, and we're here to have those virtues, that righteousness, begun and cultivated within us now.

When we see Jesus, we know and see a God worth believing in. Abraham was one of few who already knew and trusted God well before Jesus came-and only in that sense did he know Jesus even if not by name, since Jesus is God. And that's why Abraham is a model of our faith.
 
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More speculative than integrated here, IMO. Abraham didn't know his seed, only that there would be one, and many, as is also indicated in Gen 15. This is echoed in Abraham's blind trust in the promised land.
It's not about knowing, it's about what God counts as knowing, or counts as any other rquirement.
 
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