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Thoughts are the ideas, beliefs, and judgments we have, while feelings are the specific emotional sensations we experience.
Generally, I consider emotions to be instinctual responses to a situation. Feelings are more developed than emotions, and thus require...thought.
Thoughts may lead to feelings but they are not the same thing
I never claimed that they were the same.
 
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If Scripture was truly the word of God, it would be perfect and therefore impossible to misinterpret. The fact that it's even possible to discuss the meanings of it proves that there is nothing supernatural about its origin whatsoever.

This "conclusion" is neither valid or sound. In fact, it's not even fully coherent in a way that demonstrates to others like myself that your intended referents are clearly identifiable. What actually is "perfection"? Does anyone have a demonstrable, empirical metric by which to measure any entity as such? I think not. We need to leave be a reliance upon the hubris that comes with particular superlatives.

The best you can say, really, is that you presently don't perceive of any proof for a supernatural origination of the Biblical books. The mere fact that it is possible to discuss the meanings of those books ( via Hermeneutics? ) doesn't imply a proof that there is nothing supernatural whatsoever about those books.

This is what happens when a person slides ahead and reads nothing but atheistic and critical literature, but fails to also engage Epistemology, Historiography and the Philosophy of History, and a host of various interdisciplinary topics that make up the greater field of Hermeneutics.

But, I get it: your central concern for the topic of Abortion undercuts any concern you could ever feel for the need that others have for religion, or for the Christian faith.
 
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I saw it as a cheap insult I’d like to know why that was as an appropriate thing to say.
It was humor, not meant to be taken seriously.
 
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This "conclusion" is neither valid or sound. In fact, it's not even fully coherent in a way that demonstrates to others like myself that your intended referents are clearly identifiable. What actually is "perfection"? Does anyone have a demonstrable, empirical metric by which to measure any entity as such? I think not.
That's especially true for those of us who don't believe in supernatural beings.
The best you can say, really, is that you presently don't perceive of any proof for a supernatural origination of the Biblical books. The mere fact that it is possible to discuss the meanings of those books ( via Hermeneutics? ) doesn't imply a proof that there is nothing supernatural whatsoever about those books.
Readers of a certain age may remember a mediocre horror movie called The Keep. It was based on a book written by F. Paul Wilson, which was later folded into a sci-fi-horror-thriller series called Repairman Jack, (which is itself part of a larger series called the Secret History of the World), about how two opposing supernatural forces battle for control of the Earth. One is evil, the other apathetic. It's a very creative and interesting series.

I mention this because the Repairman Jack series depicts a book that changes languages depending on who's reading it. So anyone reading it will understand it. Show me a book like that, and I'll believe it has a supernatural origin!
But, I get it: your central concern for the topic of Abortion undercuts any concern you could ever feel for the need that others have for religion, or for the Christian faith.
I think facts and data overrule feelings (while enjoying a good work of fiction).
 
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So what you perceive as getting in touch with my feelings is then mocked as being feminine. Kind of destroys everything you said in your reply to @Servus

Like I said, the success of the joke is debatable.

I went to The Louve and what I saw there with a great deal of the sculptures and paintings did not leave me with the impression that these great artists created these masterpieces based upon a fair amount of emotional awareness.

So many of the things displayed dealt with maleness and femaleness. The strength and power of men vs the femininity of women. Recognizing the differences between the two.

Do you know any professional artists? I do. Hundreds of them. And while I don’t have such a lofty perception of myself to consider myself an artist, my own work is close enough to being “art”, that I at least have to have a solid grasp of the artistic process.

Whatever your subject matter, whether you’re glorifying the ideals of physical beauty or splattering paint blobs on a canvas, the entire exercise is about evoking some sort of feeling or emotion.

It us pretty obvious to me that the whole desire for men to deal with their feelings and be more like women is the cultural thing and more new and mostly western. The feminization of men is a newer phenomenon and comes from a more progressive side that men are toxic and women more virtuous. Men have been the great explorers, the great dreamers and great creators, the great inventors and discoverers precisely because of how they are built, inside and out. They have dealt with their emotions differently than women since the dawn of time. And thats okay, because they are different biologically.

You’re conflating a few things. “Dealing with emotions differently” is not the not “being in touch with your emotions” that we were talking about. Everybody deals with their emotions somewhat uniquely.

I’ll point out that the reason that men have dominated so many of these endeavors largely comes down to sexism and the relegation of women to roles within the home.

That said, the fact that men have been dreamers, creators, artists, philosophers, etc shows just how broad the range of “masculinity” truly is. You can’t do those things without having some kind of awareness of your feelings. The sort of gruff stoicism you guys are describing might make for a good military commander, but it is absolutely counterproductive in some of these other endeavors. The reason that the backlash to the stoicism is new is because the stoicism itself is relatively new. It’s mainly a 19th+20th century American thing, or at least that’s how it started. Look at immigrants to the US over that time and you’ll find men who are way more emotive than men whose families have been here for generations.
 
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It was humor, not meant to be taken seriously.
Thanks for the white knighting on behalf of another but it came off as cheap and vulgar. But I guess that’s allowed here in these parts.
 
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well feel free to link to these sources when those convconversations happen.
Sorry but I don't keep a link catalog of everything I happen to read over a course of years. The point is if you want to know what the ideology of a particular group is, get it directly from the source.
 
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I saw it as a cheap insult I’d like to know why that was as an appropriate thing to say.
I keep wondering where all their empathy went since September 10th. Perhaps it was never really there to begin with.
 
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I keep wondering where all their empathy went since September 10th. Perhaps it was never really there to begin with.
It’s partisan.
 
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Thanks for the white knighting on behalf of another but it came off as cheap and vulgar. But I guess that’s allowed here in these parts.
Before posting he should have asked "Is this comment helpful?"
 
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That's especially true for those of us who don't believe in supernatural beings.
You're asserting this doesn't delineate for me what your particular epistemological framework or praxis is in discerning any tangible evidences.
Readers of a certain age may remember a mediocre horror movie called The Keep. It was based on a book written by F. Paul Wilson, which was later folded into a sci-fi-horror-thriller series called Repairman Jack, (which is itself part of a larger series called the Secret History of the World), about how two opposing supernatural forces battle for control of the Earth. One is evil, the other apathetic. It's a very creative and interesting series.
And what epistemic insinuation would you like for me to draw from your sci-fi-horror analogy? You're right, your implied analogy is creative and interesting. But so were Metropolis, Logan's Run and Dune.
I mention this because the Repairman Jack series depicts a book that changes languages depending on who's reading it. So anyone reading it will understand it. Show me a book like that, and I'll believe it has a supernatural origin!
That's a terribly artificial and subjectively contrived criterion by which to gauge the supernatural origin of some entity or of a historically embedded religion.

I'll see your epistemic bet and raise you a hermeneutic circle and two Critical Realist evaluations ........................ :smarty:
I think facts and data overrule feelings (while enjoying a good work of fiction).

As do I. But just remember, facts and data have to be interpreted, as does the language of a good work of fiction.
 
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This is where moral compass comes into play. My response isn’t a reflection of my religious beliefs nor the sentiments of our nation good or bad. That’s my constitution in action. I don’t need the Lord to tell me it’s wrong or the threat of harm to restrain me. I instinctively know it’s incorrect. And that’s the you who shows up when emotions rage and your back’s against the wall or no one’s looking.

In this instance we’ve witnessed the same. He wanted to stir the pot and the others wanted to respond. Everyone had a choice and they behaved according to their nature. So when I say seriously I meant it. He didn’t know if they were armed or not and took a risk. And that’s the sort of thing you don’t do when you moral compass is solid. You don’t put yourself in harm’s way unnecessarily.

~bella
Bella that’s all good well. As I said most common sense people would never do what he did . But that’s exactly what he did. Human nature be many things ranging from many emotions and thoughts. All be universal in that regard. But also there be boundaries. If one keeps pushing the boundaries there are eventual consequences for one’s actions. So we probably continue to disagree. Yours Kathleen
 
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A fight broke out at a vigil for Charlie Kirk in Idaho after a man on a bike apparently shouted a derogatory message about the conservative commentator who was shot dead on Wednesday.​
A group of men start beating the man, who at one point falls to the ground as he is kicked and hit. The man then gets up and trades punches with those surrounding him.​
The brawl continues until police arrive to break it up, at which point the man crosses the street and continues to shout and swear at the crowd, including calling out: "What happened to free speech?"​

It's a bit hard to see in the beginning of the (expletive-laden) video, but the Kirk detractor is wearing a white shirt with a rainbow-striped backpack, on something like a Lime scooter on the passenger side of the truck, facing roughly towards the camera. The guy who throws the first punch (presumably a Kirk fan) is wearing a white shirt, no backpack, facing away from the camera.

It's good to see the Right sticking to their core tenets of non-violence.
It's disgusting for the man to do this but where are the freedom of speech Kirk fans?
 
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A fight broke out at a vigil for Charlie Kirk in Idaho after a man on a bike apparently shouted a derogatory message about the conservative commentator who was shot dead on Wednesday.​
A group of men start beating the man, who at one point falls to the ground as he is kicked and hit. The man then gets up and trades punches with those surrounding him.​
The brawl continues until police arrive to break it up, at which point the man crosses the street and continues to shout and swear at the crowd, including calling out: "What happened to free speech?"​
Free speech only matters on the right. As for a Godly person. They would not beat down someone, that need spiritual help.
 
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