Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

A New Dawn · 2025-09-11T05:53:58-0500

durangodawood said:
It's what I've observed. That's why it's a post.

Although, I wouldn't be too surprised if you're correct and after a few news cycles people move on as if it was just another day in America.

What’s ridiculous is your suggestion that the right doesn’t care about children when it’s the left’s stance to make them the most vulnerable targets in the world and then invite psychopaths in to shoot them by advertising that there will be nobody there to stop them when they show up.

Larniavc · 2025-09-11T06:06:13-0500

Nithavela said:
He probably would have also thought different when it would have been his own kids.

I'm not accusing him of hypocrisy. It's a healthy part of human psychology that we are unable to care for everyone equally. Imagine how horrible it would be if you'd grieve for all the famished and diseased children of the world as much as if they were your own child. I think I've read that the maximum amount of people most people are able to care on more than an abstract level about is around 150, with close friends ranking high and close family members ranking highest of all in most cases.

Perfectly reasonable. That 150 sounds about right. But I wonder how parasocial relationships fit it in?

My guess is people burst into floods of tears when famous people die but not kids in schools is because the don’t have parasocial relationships with those kids.

Tuur · 2025-09-11T06:09:18-0500

(Skims posts and shakes head)

For years now I've feared that the US would one day become Bleeding Kansas from coast to coast. I've seen nothing in these posts that change that opinion, other than it may be closer than I feared.

The basics of the matter is a person of a particular political viewpoint was murdered by someone who likely disagreed with him. He could have been up there talking about the Flying Spaghetti Monster for all I care. What he was talking about isn't as important as what was done in disagreement: Straight up murder.

That's the point where we are this morning. That's the thing of concern. Talking about what Kirk believed or what others believed is irrelevant. The only relevant point is that someone thought it was proper to murder someone to silence a difference of opinion. If we can't see that, then I may live to see the very thing I've feared: Bloody Kansas writ large. And if that happens, I pray that God will preserve us all.

Postvieww · 2025-09-11T06:46:39-0500

Tropical Wilds said:
What’s the article title on MSNBC so we can read it, for those of us who don’t click random links…

Some of the commentary on MSNBC about this sad event is vile and not worth reading or listening to. One commentator on MSNBC has been fired for insensitive comments on Kirk’s assassination.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-09-11T06:56:23-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
I think all debates are useless, but especially his sort. There are forums where people honestly try to debate each other (as misguided as I might find that exercise), but rage-baiting a bunch of undergrads for clicks is not it.

But there does seem to be differing perspectives on what's considered "rage baiting"

The people who found Charlie's approach "rage inducing" are perfectly content with seeing someone from their own tribe beat someone in a debate.

I was listening to Cenk from the young Turks last night because I was interested to get his thoughts on what went down. (He and Charlie operated in similar circles just for opposing sides of the fence)

The way he described it, that "rage" effect is the result of being perceived to have suffered intellectual defeat at the hands of someone from a tribe who one fancies themselves as "smarter than"

Zaha Torte · 2025-09-11T07:03:08-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Like I said, this is what "democracy" looks like.

The United States is a Constitutional Republic - and "democracy" does not include violence.

CerebralCherub · 2025-09-11T07:04:18-0500

Tropical Wilds said:
I will say the remarks on this thread are entirely different on the (now buried) school shooting thread from a few weeks ago. Read the first pages of that to this, I’m shocked by the people rattled by this who were able to skip on over the dead kids to espouse their anti-gun control ideology. Some of it I think is the shock of seeing it play out on video, but…

No one who supports the Constitutional right to carry arms, to resist governmental tyranny, supports murder regardless of the age of the victim.

Conflating the two is done by those who are intentionally trying to be inflammatory. Sometimes I wonder if there are communist groups paying people like the above to test balloon responses and incite hate and division.

It's pathetic and transparent.

That's all I'm going to say on this subject or on this thread. I don't even agree that non-believers should be posting on this forum at all. Don't bother responding. I won't read it but I will pray for the nation including all of those who participate in the wilful destruction of humanity through division.

This spiteful hate is beyond anything humans can correct alone.

I wish there was a block function for this whole section of the 'Christian' forum. I'd pay to have it removed.

prodromos · 2025-09-11T07:14:56-0500

CerebralCherub said:
No one who supports the Constitutional right to carry arms, to resist governmental tyranny, supports murder regardless of the age of the victim.

I am not American, but I agree wholeheartedly with this statement.

prodromos · 2025-09-11T07:18:53-0500

Larniavc said:
Yeah he did. He said dead kids were an acceptable price to pay for Americans having liberal access to guns.

No he didn't. He said "some deaths". He never said "dead kids" in any of the interviews I've seen. If he did, then post the evidence, otherwise you should retract your vile assertion.

Nithavela · 2025-09-11T07:21:10-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
But there does seem to be differing perspectives on what's considered "rage baiting"

The people who found Charlie's approach "rage inducing" are perfectly content with seeing someone from their own tribe beat someone in a debate.

I was listening to Cenk from the young Turks last night because I was interested to get his thoughts on what went down. (He and Charlie operated in similar circles just for opposing sides of the fence)

The way he described it, that "rage" effect is the result of being perceived to have suffered intellectual defeat at the hands of someone from a tribe who one fancies themselves as "smarter than"

In many cases, the rage stems from thinking that oneself wins the debate, but the other side just refuses to acknowledge it, instead claiming victory for themselves. Often, that feeling is mutual.

lifepsyop · 2025-09-11T07:37:21-0500

I'm reminded of a post I made after the attempted assassination of Trump.

Stochastic terrorism is a form of political violence instigated by hostile public rhetoric directed at a group or an individual. Unlike incitement to terrorism, stochastic terrorism is accomplished with indirect, vague or coded language, which grants the instigator plausible deniability for any associated violence.[1] A key element of stochastic terrorism is the use of media for propagation, where the person carrying out the violence may not have direct connection to any other users of violent rhetoric.

Politicians, academics, and media influencers constantly bull-horning that conservatives or right-wingers "evil racists" and "nazis" and a "threat to our democracy" should be officially associated with terroristic activity. They are constantly signaling to their foot soldiers in the audience to act on this rhetoric.

They should all be rounded up by law-enforcement.

Nithavela · 2025-09-11T07:42:22-0500

lifepsyop said:
I'm reminded of a post I made after the attempted assassination of Trump.

Stochastic terrorism is a form of political violence instigated by hostile public rhetoric directed at a group or an individual. Unlike incitement to terrorism, stochastic terrorism is accomplished with indirect, vague or coded language, which grants the instigator plausible deniability for any associated violence.[1] A key element of stochastic terrorism is the use of media for propagation, where the person carrying out the violence may not have direct connection to any other users of violent rhetoric.

Politicians, academics, and media influencers constantly bull-horning that conservatives or right-wingers "evil racists" and "nazis" and a "threat to our democracy" should be officially associated with terroristic activity. They are constantly signaling to their foot soldiers in the audience to act on this rhetoric.

They should all be rounded up by law-enforcement.

Would you extend the same attitude towards people on the right who do the same things?

NxNW · 2025-09-11T07:50:45-0500

lifepsyop said:
Politicians, academics, and media influencers constantly bull-horning that conservatives or right-wingers "evil racists" and "nazis" and a "threat to our democracy" should be officially associated with terroristic activity. They are constantly signaling to their foot soldiers in the audience to act on this rhetoric.

They should all be rounded up by law-enforcement.

Speech is terrorism, got it.

NxNW · 2025-09-11T07:51:19-0500

A New Dawn said:
What’s ridiculous is your suggestion that the right doesn’t care about children when it’s the left’s stance to make them the most vulnerable targets in the world and then invite psychopaths in to shoot them by advertising that there will be nobody there to stop them when they show up.

There is no such stance.

Larniavc · 2025-09-11T07:52:03-0500

prodromos said:
No he didn't. He said "some deaths". He never said "dead kids" in any of the interviews I've seen. If he did, then post the evidence, otherwise you should retract your vile assertion.

Was he not talking about school shootings in that discussion?

Freth · 2025-09-11T07:53:42-0500

I've been watching the thread since it started yesterday. I keep trying to find the words to write, but they aren't flowing.

Two things:

Charlie didn't deserve to die.
Vengeance is God's alone.

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Isaiah 5:20-24 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink [untruth, false doctrine; Isaiah 28:5-13]: Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him! Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the Lord of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

A New Dawn · 2025-09-11T07:54:54-0500

Nithavela said:
Would you extend the same attitude towards people on the right who do the same things?

The right doesn’t do things like that. The right doesn’t label their political opponents such hateful things as Nazis or racists or deplorables or garbage, the way the leftist leaders have done. The right doesn’t say people need to be taken out the way the left does. The right doesn’t tell their followers to follow around and harass the left and scream at them in public places the way the left does. The right doesn’t create fake hate hoaxes to lay blame on an entire political party the way the left does.

But I suppose, theoretically, sure. The same applies to the right.

prodromos · 2025-09-11T07:55:39-0500

Fr Josiah from the Antiochian Orthodox Church in Riverside, California has posted a beautiful eulogy for Chaarlie

A New Dawn · 2025-09-11T07:57:15-0500

NxNW said:
There is no such stance.

Yes, there is. It is the left who is pushing the agenda to leave the kids vulnerable by not agreeing to the same protections that Congress persons or judges enjoy.

prodromos · 2025-09-11T07:58:13-0500

Larniavc said:
Was he not talking about school shootings in that discussion?

Did he say the words you put in his mouth or not?

Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

Bind my wandering heart to thee!

"Larniavc sir, how are you so smart?"

Well-Known Member

Believer

Part of the IT crowd

Jesus Christ is the Eternal God

Active Member

Senior Veteran

Senior Veteran

you're in charge you can do it just get louis

Regular Member

you're in charge you can do it just get louis

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

"Larniavc sir, how are you so smart?"

Well-Known Member

Bind my wandering heart to thee!

Senior Veteran

Bind my wandering heart to thee!

Senior Veteran

Similar threads