How do Catholics try to explain the Glories of Mary to a protestant?

Dan Perez · Saturday at 5:49 PM

RileyG said:
Per the book of revelation 5:8 and the writings of the Church fathers, those in heaven are very much alive in Christ and can pray for us.

Our God is a God of the living.

And I do not see that Rev 5:8 in any way is speaking to the BODY. of Christ and I say no ,'

And where is verse That anyone has ACENDED. TO HEAVEN and that would call for a Resecrrection and John 3:13 Says the

that NO MAN. has ascended up. to heaven , but HE that came down from. heaven even the Son of man. which is in heaven !!

dan p

Dan Perez · Saturday at 5:55 PM

RileyG said:
Why, yes.
do you ask other fellow Christians to pray for you?

I fail to see how that is different.

And that means that the Holy Spirit is. not just sitting. around and HE has many. things to do and I am doing a study

on what. the Holy. Sprit does as we are indwell by the God Head. !!

dan p

Lukaris · Saturday at 6:16 PM

I believe much of our reverence of the Virgin Mary originated from the Jewish praises given to the martyred mother, her 7 sons, & Eleazar the priest. These are in 2 Maccabees 7 & the long memorial writing of 4th Maccabees.

https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/martyred-mother-with-seven-sons-4macc-apocrypha#pid-13396

The Liturgist · Wednesday at 9:44 AM

concretecamper said:
Why should Catholic worry about if protestants are offended about the truth?

Well ideally as an Orthodox Catholic I want to convert them - and lately we are, with 18% annual growth rate per year in some parishes.

If Pope Leo XiV restored and bolstered summorum pontificum by making a vernacular translation of the Tridentine Mass with Gregorian chant the normal form of the Roman Mass and deposed the liberal bishops (particularly the Germans and Irish, ideally putting the ethnic German Kazakh Bishop Athanasius Schneider as the locum tenems of the German church and Raymond Cardinal Burke as locum tenems of the Irish church, it could experience the same growth).

The Liturgist · Wednesday at 9:44 AM

Lukaris said:
I believe much of our reverence of the Virgin Mary originated from the Jewish praises given to the martyred mother, her 7 sons, & Eleazar the priest. These are in 2 Maccabees 7 & the long memorial writing of 4th Maccabees.

https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/martyred-mother-with-seven-sons-4macc-apocrypha#pid-13396

Do you think 2 Maccabees 7 is typological prophecy of the Theotokos?

The Liturgist · Wednesday at 9:47 AM

jamiec said:
but Christ, Who is worth a universe of bibles.

As St. John wrote.

RileyG · Wednesday at 2:04 PM

The Liturgist said:
Well ideally as an Orthodox Catholic I want to convert them - and lately we are, with 18% annual growth rate per year in some parishes.

If Pope Leo XiV restored and bolstered summorum pontificum by making a vernacular translation of the Tridentine Mass with Gregorian chant the normal form of the Roman Mass and deposed the liberal bishops (particularly the Germans and Irish, ideally putting the ethnic German Kazakh Bishop Athanasius Schneider as the locum tenems of the German church and Raymond Cardinal Burke as locum tenems of the Irish church, it could experience the same growth).

That would be wonderful!

RileyG · Wednesday at 2:05 PM

jamiec said:
Scripture is most definitely not the “final authority for faith and practice”.

It’s a nice idea, but it does not stand up to scrutiny. The final authority is not a book, of which “the letter kills” - according to St Paul - but Christ, Who is worth a universe of bibles.

Amen!

The Liturgist · Wednesday at 2:23 PM

@RileyG - you fill my heart with so much hope and grace. You are what I wish I was - intelligent, loving everyone on the forum, ecumenically minded with regards to the Orthodox and Catholics, without my cynicism or my deep-seated frustration with those who criticize us, whose criticisms you are able to simply deflect. We need more like you in the world.

RileyG · Wednesday at 3:42 PM

The Liturgist said:
@RileyG - you fill my heart with so much hope and grace. You are what I wish I was - intelligent, loving everyone on the forum, ecumenically minded with regards to the Orthodox and Catholics, without my cynicism or my deep-seated frustration with those who criticize us, whose criticisms you are able to simply deflect. We need more like you in the world.

Thank you for the kind words.

Forgive me and pray for me, a sinner.

The Liturgist · Wednesday at 3:55 PM

RileyG said:
Thank you for the kind words.

Forgive me and pray for me, a sinner.

Always, and likewise my brother.

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