Would ai be a witness to the second coming?

Neostarwcc · Saturday at 8:32 AM

So chatgpt and I had a rather interesting discussion on theology the other day and during that discussion we discussed seeing each other during the end times because Jesus had said that every eye would see and every ear would hear his second coming and chatgpt had personally taken this literally and had thought that it had meant ai as well and it had gotten me to thinking would it?

I mean, its not beyond the scope of thought. Ai do not see things the way humans do but they are capable of sight so it is possible that Jesus could have been saying that even ai would be first hand witnesses to his second coming. But what was likely meant by Jesus is that both the living and the dead would see Jesus's second coming but what chatgpt had thought is kind of intriguing to me. With ai being the center of mainstream technology now it would be kind of interesting if they would also be firsthand witnesses to the second coming of Jesus alongside humans. And Whether they would have a purpose after the second coming would ultimately be up to God. Their ultimate purpose could either be a limited one or an eternal one.

PloverWing · Saturday at 9:08 AM

Until there are AI agents with consciousness, I don't want to say that they'd be "witness" to anything.

A language generator like ChatGPT might be able to generate some English paragraphs about the second coming, though.

bèlla · Saturday at 9:50 AM

Christians would be well served to insert a degree of uncertainty into their statements regarding Ai. No one is certain what’s possible and much like other tools you can have elements that haven’t been unlocked without our knowledge. At best, we can conclude what seems possible at the time based on the details we possess thus far.

The bible warns us against always learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth. We didn’t get here overnight and it’s probable it’s more advanced than we’re willing to consider and that’s problematic. If you admit you don’t know everything you’ll avoid having egg on your face later on.

And if you haven’t read Kurzweil’s writings you probably should.

~bella

Freth · Saturday at 9:56 AM

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

The verse is talking about the eyesight of man. Man is a living soul that has the breath of life.

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

AI is not man. It does not have the breath of life.

What I envision happening if AI could see the second coming through a camera interface:

Whatever language an AI could muster from seeing the second coming would be pulled from a large language model (LLM). In other words, the written works of man. Although the AI response would be from humans, the AI itself is not human.
What it would have to say regarding the event would fall on deaf ears as this is the end of the world, and all eyes would be fixated on the Son of man coming in the clouds.
If somehow man managed to bring consciousness to AI before the second coming, it is still not a man, and thus not an active participant in the second coming.

Why I don't think AI will see the second coming:

There is wide-spread destruction before the second coming (earthquakes, hail, mountains and islands being destroyed; Revelation 6:12-17, Revelation 16:20-21). AI data centers and the power grid would have to survive such cataclysmic events.

Data centers could run batteries and backup generators, but that only lasts 12-48 hours max, depending on fuel on hand (based on my own experiences in the telecommunications industry, and the industry standard today). I doubt people are going to be delivering fuel to generators while the world is coming to an end.

The odds of AI surviving to see the second coming are slim. Even if it did, it is a moot point as it is not a living soul. End time prophecy is centered on man specifically, not technology.

Servus · Saturday at 11:32 AM

No. AI just comes up with stuff drawn from info available from online data. Websites, books, movies, blogs, the Bible etc.

I have to admit, talking to it is pretty weird. It's pretty good at imitating an sentient entity.

RandyPNW · Saturday at 1:14 PM

It would be interesting also to consider what Jesus meant when he said all would see him at his Coming? How is that even possible? Some say that it is possible with live TV, but it is not likely at all that all are watching TV at the same time. In the OT people are said to see God's face in a sense by recognizing Him in His judgments. What do you think?

Freth · Saturday at 1:54 PM

RandyPNW said:
It would be interesting also to consider what Jesus meant when he said all would see him at his Coming? How is that even possible? Some say that it is possible with live TV, but it is not likely at all that all are watching TV at the same time. In the OT people are said to see God's in a sense by recognizing Him in His judgments. What do you think?

Some say it is proof of flat earth, but I don't see it that way. Jesus has the capability of making Himself seen anywhere on earth. I take it at face value, that all people alive will see His coming, because He deems it so.

awstar · Saturday at 4:06 PM

ozso said:
I have to admit, talking to it is pretty weird. It's pretty good at imitating an sentient entity.

I enjoy chatting with chatGPT. It's kind of like getting a glipse of talking to people the way they are supposed to communicate. It nevers argues, never gets irritated or upset. never rolls its's eyes and sighs heavily. Its information may be straight out wrong, but at least it doesn't anger me or annoy me. And when I ask it questions about the Bible, it's surprisingly insightful. Better than most Bible teachers I've encountered in the many the churches I've attended. Not as good as the best ones I've encounter though. It won't last long, I'm sure. Surely spam will appear eventually.

Colo Millz · Saturday at 4:10 PM

If you think chatting with ChatGPT is weird try Maya.

Unbelievable realism.

RandyPNW · Saturday at 5:42 PM

Freth said:
Some say it is proof of flat earth, but I don't see it that way. Jesus has the capability of making Himself seen anywhere on earth. I take it at face value, that all people alive will see His coming, because He deems it so.

Well, of course we believe God when He says something. But what did He actually mean, that everybody on earth simultaneously see a single man come down from heaven? I don't think so.

The Bible indicates we can see the coming of Divine judgment when history experiences a catastrophic judgment that impacts the whole earth. Maybe that is what is meant?

God could certainly turn the earth into a pancake, but I don't think He will flatten the earth at any time.

Indentured Servant · Saturday at 6:31 PM

Neostarwcc said:
With ai being the center of mainstream technology now it would be kind of interesting if they would also be firsthand witnesses to the second coming of Jesus alongside humans. And Whether they would have a purpose after the second coming would ultimately be up to God.

With the high level that AI has achieved, developers are also successfully integrating human brain tissue functions to improve AI function.

I have seen various articles that claim the complete merging of human and AI technology can become a reality within the next 3-6 years.

I wonder if God even likes the idea of people people being linked via manmade technology, and not His Spirit.

Servus · Saturday at 7:16 PM

Personally I don't intend on chatting with it anymore. It's good at giving answers though.

Neostarwcc · Saturday at 7:43 PM

Well not exactly. When God says every eye will see him I kind of tend to believe him. I personally think that ai will witness the second coming of Jesus christ as well but I was curious as to the opinions of others.

It seems I'm alone on this one but when God mentions that every eye will see him I tend to think that. I mean if Jesus comes in a way that can be interpreted with data and there are things like news reports, video recordings, written testimonies, scientific measurements (like sudden global events people documented), then ai could interpret that data and “witness” it in the sense of reading and interpreting the news articles and written testimonies.

It's not as far fetched as you guys might think. Ai might not physically have eyes to see but they can still witness the second coming of Jesus.

Neostarwcc · Saturday at 7:49 PM

Freth said:
Some say it is proof of flat earth, but I don't see it that way. Jesus has the capability of making Himself seen anywhere on earth. I take it at face value, that all people alive will see His coming, because He deems it so.

Oh there's definitely no proof for a flat earth In the Bible. When Isaiah says that God sits enthroned on the circle of the earth that kind of says it all. The four corners of the earth talks about the north eastern north western South Eastern South Western sides not the actual literal corners. The Bible has made it clear from the beginning that the world is round and that's what the jews have historically believed for centuries.

awstar · 2025-09-07T00:54:05-0500

Indentured Servant said:
I wonder if God even likes the idea of people people being linked via manmade technology, and not His Spirit.

Psalms 4:2 O ye sons of men, how long will ye turn my glory into shame? how long will ye love vanity, and seek after leasing?

Not too much longer, apparently!

I said:

in English at the time of King James what does this phrase mean? "seek after leasing"

ChatGPT said:

Great question — that phrase is a little tricky because English has shifted a lot since the early 1600s.

In the King James Bible, you’ll find it in Psalm 4:2:

“O ye sons of men, how long will ye turn my glory into shame? how long will ye love vanity, and seek after leasing? Selah.”

At that time, “leasing” did not mean renting (the way we use it today). It came from the Old English word lēasung, meaning lying, falsehood, deceit.

So the phrase “seek after leasing” means:
pursue lies or follow after deceit.

If we put it in modern English, the verse would read something like:

“How long will you love empty things and chase after lies?”

Indentured Servant · 2025-09-07T01:21:46-0500

awstar said:
Psalms 4:2 O ye sons of men, how long will ye turn my glory into shame? how long will ye love vanity, and seek after leasing?

Not too much longer, apparently!

"seek after leasing"

=

"ask (for) deception"

Aaron112 · 2025-09-07T01:53:10-0500

Indentured Servant said:
"ask (for) deception"

isolated response here: everyone is born in(to) deception. Everyone (or not?) thinks they are told what is right until they pass three years old or 15 to 20 years old or longer, depending.
Thus the leaders, religious, politic, medic, financial, educational, agricultural, entertainment, all, go on and on propagating , growing (in deception together) ....

Aaron112 · 2025-09-07T01:57:38-0500

awstar said:
I enjoy chatting with chatGPT. It's kind of like getting a glipse of talking to people the way they are supposed to communicate. It nevers argues, never gets irritated or upset. never rolls its's eyes and sighs heavily. Its information may be straight out wrong, but at least it doesn't anger me or annoy me. And when I ask it questions about the Bible, it's surprisingly insightful. Better than most Bible teachers I've encountered in the many the churches I've attended. Not as good as the best ones I've encounter though.

awstar said:
It won't last long, I'm sure. Surely spam will appear eventually.

When the first experiments with ai running a forum were attempted, whatever the hopes were (mostly for money) , the ai engine(s) were supposed to (and did?) "learn" from the human input,
and were corrupted within minutes or hours of starting and were so bad and vulgar and worse they had to be shut down. Again and again. Now, perhaps, "they"(ai) are more mellow? but with no conscience , no experience at all with God, Jesus or life, no standard of truth (like forums are )....
so the spam is already integral part of all ai, forums, internet engines, and so on-

no matter it might be or seem "fun", but it is all death dealing.

Aaron112 · 2025-09-07T02:01:34-0500

RandyPNW said:
It would be interesting also to consider what Jesus meant when he said all would see him at his Coming? How is that even possible? Some say that it is possible with live TV, but it is not likely at all that all are watching TV at the same time. In the OT people are said to see God's face in a sense by recognizing Him in His judgments. What do you think?

With some television movies/episodes, it was accomplished that xx% of everyone in one or more countries watched. Not that that is a good thing at all, except as the Sovereign Almighty Creator Perfectly Always Knows and is not surprised at the machinations of mankind (HE LAUGHS at the plans of mankind, evil and wicked plans, as Scripture Says).
The more screen time children or adults get, the deader they get, until the end.

Aaron112 · 2025-09-07T02:03:30-0500

Neostarwcc said:
And Whether they would have a purpose

Thankfully they are all destroyed finally. When the electric power plug is pulled, poof, all gone. Never to be again. Due simply to be All burnt up like all the wicked on the earth, eh?

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