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Conspiracy theories never do. They only reflect what the theorist wants the world to be. Any relation to the truth is purely incidental.
Well I'd add that some relation to truth or reality isn't incidental, but used as a cover to give the actual conspiracy part a veneer of legitimacy. It's used to hide behind when the actual bs gets called out.
 
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I dont need to rely on anyone else. I, personally, was able to see and hear him with my own eyes and ears during the whole time from as early as his campaign and on through the whole four years of his term and know exactly how bad he was. By the time the debates rolled around, he had all the classic signs of late dementia.
Yet, no examples of what decisions weren't made by him... Hmm...
 
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Yet, no examples of what decisions weren't made by him... Hmm...
I suggested reading Jake Tapper’s book. Go to a library and check it out if you don’t want to buy it.

But first, why don’t you tell us all what decisions were made by Elon Musk in those cabinet meetings he attended that everyone on the left was up in arms about.
 
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I suggested reading Jake Tapper’s book. Go to a library and check it out if you don’t want to buy it.

But first, why don’t you tell us all what decisions were made by Elon Musk in those cabinet meetings he attended that everyone on the left was up in arms about.
Not going to be something to be found in a library over here. And since you seem to be knowledgeable about the topic so like asked previously... Examples?
I mean, I'm sure you're not making claims without any actual knowledge about the source you're citing, right?
 
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The reason petty crimes increase is because of the left’s desire to keep the (mostly) black population enslaved. They keep them enslaved by keeping them in poverty by giving them just enough money to barely survive without giving them enough to escape poverty. They threaten to cut govt. funds if they get a job to help pay the bills and refuse to create programs to teach people needed job skills so they can get a job that pays a living salary. And all of that will lead to situations where people need to join gangs or take matters into their own hands (illegally) to find a way to live in this current society.
These are opinions that do not reflect reality. In fact, 8 of the 10 states with the highest poverty rates are red states. If progressive policies caused poverty, we would expect most blue states to have higher poverty rates.

As of the most recent data from 2025, the top 10 U.S. states with the highest poverty rates are:

  1. Louisiana– 19.6%

  2. Mississippi– 19.4%

  3. New Mexico– 18.4%

  4. West Virginia– 16.8%

  5. Kentucky– 16.5%

  6. District of Columbia– 16.5%

  7. Arkansas– 16.3%

  8. Alabama– 16.1%

  9. Oklahoma– 15.6%

  10. South Carolina– 14.6%
These rankings are based on the percentage of the population living below the poverty line, as defined by the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey. The poverty threshold varies depending on household size and composition, but generally reflects the minimum income needed to meet basic living needs.



The issue today is that we often create arguments just to blame the other side. I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat; I simply want an honest, fact-based discussion about our country and politics. You seem more interested in sharing opinions than in presenting facts.
 
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These are opinions that do not reflect reality. In fact, 8 of the 10 states with the highest poverty rates are red states. If progressive policies caused poverty, we would expect most blue states to have higher poverty rates.

As of the most recent data from 2025, the top 10 U.S. states with the highest poverty rates are:

  1. Louisiana– 19.6%

  2. Mississippi– 19.4%

  3. New Mexico– 18.4%

  4. West Virginia– 16.8%

  5. Kentucky– 16.5%

  6. District of Columbia– 16.5%

  7. Arkansas– 16.3%

  8. Alabama– 16.1%

  9. Oklahoma– 15.6%

  10. South Carolina– 14.6%
These rankings are based on the percentage of the population living below the poverty line, as defined by the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey. The poverty threshold varies depending on household size and composition, but generally reflects the minimum income needed to meet basic living needs.



The issue today is that we often create arguments just to blame the other side. I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat; I simply want an honest, fact-based discussion about our country and politics. You seem more interested in sharing opinions than in presenting facts.
What I presented is facts. The color of the state doesn’t mean there is a difference in how the federal government’s restrictions impact the lives of those living in poverty from one state to another.

And if you want more facts, the very-little spoken of fact that over 70% of black homes now have no father figure is where most of the problems comes from, another result of the government forcing black citizens into poverty by changing the dynamic of those families. No father figure means no role models except gangs and rappers, neither one offering poor black youth much-needed guidance to help them get out of the generational poverty they are locked into. One solution is to remove those stipulations that a mother will get more money if there isn’t a male money-earner in the family and go back to being hand-ups rather than hand-outs.
 
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What I presented is facts. The color of the state doesn’t mean there is a difference in how the federal government’s restrictions impact the lives of those living in poverty from one state to another.

And if you want more facts, the very-little spoken of fact that over 70% of black homes now have no father figure is where most of the problems comes from, another result of the government forcing black citizens into poverty by changing the dynamic of those families. No father figure means no role models except gangs and rappers, neither one offering poor black youth much-needed guidance to help them get out of the generational poverty they are locked into. One solution is to remove those stipulations that a mother will get more money if there isn’t a male money-earner in the family and go back to being hand-ups rather than hand-outs.
I notice that your opinion seems to have shifted. In previous posts, you attributed crime and poverty to California's progressive policies. However, now that it has been pointed out that 8 out of 10 states with the highest poverty rates are red states, you are suggesting that federal government policy affects poverty across different states.

Now you are arguing about African -American culture without father figure causing poverty.

Which do you think is the main cause of poverty in California: progressive policies or the absence of father figures in American households?

It appears that your reasoning has shifted throughout our discussion. Initially, you stated that California approves violent looting and rioting, which is why the threshold for property theft was increased to $990 USD. When I mentioned that 39 other states have higher thresholds, your argument changed to poverty in California as a contributing factor. After I noted that eight out of ten states with the highest poverty rates are red states, your perspective moved to a cultural explanation involving fatherless families and its connection to poverty.
 
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I suggested reading Jake Tapper’s book. Go to a library and check it out if you don’t want to buy it.

But first, why don’t you tell us all what decisions were made by Elon Musk in those cabinet meetings he attended that everyone on the left was up in arms about.

I'm not aware of *any* decisions by department secretaries in the cabinent meetings. Most amount to secretaries praising Trump.
As for Musk, he had termination letters to deparment employees without the knowledge of the department's cabinent secretary.

 
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I notice that your opinion seems to have shifted. In previous posts, you attributed crime and poverty to California's progressive policies. However, now that it has been pointed out that 8 out of 10 states with the highest poverty rates are red states, you are suggesting that federal government policy affects poverty across different states.

Now you are arguing about African -American culture without father figure causing poverty.

Which do you think is the main cause of poverty in California: progressive policies or the absence of father figures in American households?

It appears that your reasoning has shifted throughout our discussion. Initially, you stated that California approves violent looting and rioting, which is why the threshold for property theft was increased to $990 USD. When I mentioned that 39 other states have higher thresholds, your argument changed to poverty in California as a contributing factor. After I noted that eight out of ten states with the highest poverty rates are red states, your perspective moved to a cultural explanation involving fatherless families and its connection to poverty.
I have already stated this several times, I was talking about the states response to increased crime. Not anything else. And the CAUSES of crime is a different discussion from the response to crime. Both should be addressed, but they are addressed in different ways.
 
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I'm not aware of *any* decisions by department secretaries in the cabinent meetings. Most amount to secretaries praising Trump.
As for Musk, he had termination letters to deparment employees without the knowledge of the department's cabinent secretary.

And Trump reminded Musk that his job was to find the fraud, redundancies, etc. and pass that on to the dept. heads.
 
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And Trump reminded Musk that his job was to find the fraud, redundancies, etc. and pass that on to the dept. heads.
We already had the Office of the Inspectors General that was purged, (probably so that Musk could ferret out which of the fired Inspectors General was working for the “deep state”), to do continuous investigations and audits to minimize waste, fraud and abuse.

“Waste, fraud and abuse” are the “weapons-of-mass-destruction” of our time; they ain’t “there”, (in anywhere near the amounts that would have to be realized that would have a significant effect.

We do spend a lot and most of it is necessary and accounted for, “WF&A”?, a bogeyman made out of money.
 
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We already had the Office of the Inspectors General that was purged, (probably so that Musk could ferret out which of the fired Inspectors General was working for the “deep state”), to do continuous investigations and audits to minimize waste, fraud and abuse.
Not really the "deep state", though perhaps a bit of that. But a lot of, "led or leading investigations into what Musk's companies are doing".
 
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We already had the Office of the Inspectors General that was purged, (probably so that Musk could ferret out which of the fired Inspectors General was working for the “deep state”), to do continuous investigations and audits to minimize waste, fraud and abuse.

“Waste, fraud and abuse” are the “weapons-of-mass-destruction” of our time; they ain’t “there”, (in anywhere near the amounts that would have to be realized that would have a significant effect.

We do spend a lot and most of it is necessary and accounted for, “WF&A”?, a bogeyman made out of money.
Yeah, just like ”Trump is a threat to our democracy” was the weapon of mass destruction under Biden (literally, considering all the people who threatened to kill Trump (some almost did)), and we don’t even have a democracy. Meanwhile hiring 130,000 federal government workers to just add more wasteful expenditures to the list of stuff to have to get rid of. We have no need for the top-heavy, citizen-hating government that we have.
 
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Yeah, just like ”Trump is a threat to our democracy” was the weapon of mass destruction under Biden (literally, considering all the people who threatened to kill Trump (some almost did)), and we don’t even have a democracy.
Well, looking from the outside, I would kinda agree with that. You guys are taking several small steps away from democratic norms and lawfulness and at an increasing pace and a decent portion of the US population is welcoming this. And yes, the US is a democracy.
 
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Well, looking from the outside, I would kinda agree with that. You guys are taking several small steps away from democratic norms and lawfulness and at an increasing pace and a decent portion of the US population is welcoming this. And yes, the US is a democracy.
No, the US is a Constitutional Republic. The founding fathers purposely made sure that we were NOT a democracy because democracies always end in totalitarianism or communism. Mob rule is the norm in a democracy, and we see how that was starting to happen under the left’s push for “democracy” over the Constitutionally guaranteed republic.

The only place “democracy” is utilized in our nation is that is how our representatives are elected. Otherwise we are NOT a democracy.
 
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No, the US is a Constitutional Republic. The founding fathers purposely made sure that we were NOT a democracy because democracies always end in totalitarianism or communism. Mob rule is the norm in a democracy, and we see how that was starting to happen under the left’s push for “democracy” over the Constitutionally guaranteed republic.

The only place “democracy” is utilized in our nation is that is how our representatives are elected. Otherwise we are NOT a democracy.
Come on, we vote for President. Do you even know the name of your "elector"? Is his name on the ballot you fill out?
 
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No, the US is a Constitutional Republic.
And a Constitutional Republic is... Drum roll please... A form of democracy! I can't believe that this exact same thing needs to be told in two different threads.
The fact that apparently so many US conservatives don't understand this does tell a lot.
The founding fathers purposely made sure that we were NOT a democracy because democracies always end in totalitarianism or communism. Mob rule is the norm in a democracy, and we see how that was starting to happen under the left’s push for “democracy” over the Constitutionally guaranteed republic.

The only place “democracy” is utilized in our nation is that is how our representatives are elected. Otherwise we are NOT a democracy.
And I hope I get the implication here correctly, because you certainly seem to imply it, but what is termed a "direct democracy" isn't the only form of democracy. In fact, there isn't a single country in the world that's a full blown direct democracy. They are essentially all forms of representative democracies. Which are still democracies.
It's flabbergasting that you end the whole thing with "the only place where democracy is utilised is in how we elect representatives." That is the very definition of a democracy! You have a vote, used to elect people who govern and through whom you hold power in your government. I'm so disappointed in some people here.
 
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No, the US is a Constitutional Republic. The founding fathers purposely made sure that we were NOT a democracy because democracies always end in totalitarianism or communism. Mob rule is the norm in a democracy, and we see how that was starting to happen under the left’s push for “democracy” over the Constitutionally guaranteed republic.

The only place “democracy” is utilized in our nation is that is how our representatives are elected. Otherwise we are NOT a democracy.
Yet the Constitution sez the Congress hold the “power of the purse” and authorizes that august body to set tariffs (both of which the House has seemingly ceded to the incumbent President).
If the Constitution is so malleable, why should we continue to follow the rest of it!?
 
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And a Constitutional Republic is... Drum roll please... A form of democracy! I can't believe that this exact same thing needs to be told in two different threads.
The fact that apparently so many US conservatives don't understand this does tell a lot.

And I hope I get the implication here correctly, because you certainly seem to imply it, but what is termed a "direct democracy" isn't the only form of democracy. In fact, there isn't a single country in the world that's a full blown direct democracy. They are essentially all forms of representative democracies. Which are still democracies.
It's flabbergasting that you end the whole thing with "the only place where democracy is utilised is in how we elect representatives." That is the very definition of a democracy! You have a vote, used to elect people who govern and through whom you hold power in your government. I'm so disappointed in some people here.
A democracy is majority rule, period. A republic utilizes elected representatives who govern according to an overarching body of laws . Because we are NOT a democracy we have the electoral college. IN a democracy whatever the majority wants, the majority gets. Because we have an overarching body of laws that determines how we are governed, instead of majority rule, we are not a democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic that uses the democratic process ONLY to elect our representatives except in the case of the president.
 
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A democracy is majority rule, period.
No it isn’t.

Democracy only means power of the people. Demos=people and kratia=power or rule of law. Theres nothing there that says it has to be a majority rule. It is any form of government where the power of the state is vested in the People.

Our constitution starts with the words “We the People.” It doesn’t say “We, the representatives of our constitutional republic.”

We the people use a democratic system to elect our representatives who also then use a simple majority vote to pass laws on our behalf. When the first congress came together to establish and frame the constitution they decided on what made it into the document through simple voting and majority rule.

A republic utilizes elected representatives who govern according to an overarching body of laws. Because we are NOT a democracy we have the electoral college. IN a democracy whatever the majority wants, the majority gets.
Unless a majority before them already put in protections for the minority that cannot be rescinded.
Because we have an overarching body of laws that determines how we are governed, instead of majority rule, we are not a democracy.
Every single country on earth has a constitution their legislators and leaders have to abide by. That isn’t the defining feature of a democracy. Even Saudi Arabia has a constitution that their monarch has to follow. The defining feature of any democracy is the power being vested in the people.

We are a Constitutional Republic that uses the democratic process ONLY to elect our representatives except in the case of the president.
Those same representatives use a democratic process with simple majorities to pass legislation that affect the entire country. This is democracy in action.
 
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