Illinois Gov. Pritzker Says Chicago Is Safe As 35 Shot, 5 Dead Labor Day Weekend

Richard T · Sep 2, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
WRONG! Try again. Are they red cities, or are they blue cities located in red states?

Almost true, the inclusion of Wichita however, shows that their county voted in favor of Trump. https://www.politico.com/2024-election/results/kansas/ Voting is not tabulated by city limits though so it cannot be fully determined. what the city residents preference was for. I suspect there are likely only a few other smaller cities with higher crime rates than Chicago that are red. New Orleans, St Louis, Baltimore or New Orleans are not red cities. But even a blue city in a red state should have their red Governors asking for troops? Unfortunately if this is your way to fight crime, the red state Governors are not stepping up that I have heard.

So why the infatuation with blue cities with crime but Trump? I suspect it is political and personal. It also would allow ICE to operate more effectively to round up illegal and immigrants that have overstayed their visas. Blue cities like Chicago and Boston are targets because they
are less helpful for immigration enforcement. Notice I said less cooperative. I did not say what they do is illegal, though that certainly is a worthy challenge and in part will work its way through the courts.

While these points are important, the entire basis of sending Federal troops has been considered illegal. Senator Rand Paul pointed this out last year. Now California District judge Breyer has said that such troops doing police work violate the law. https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/02/trump-national-guard-california-newsom.html The ruling only covers California though at least for the moment.

We can say that this judge is liberal (he is) but Senator Paul certainly is not. But even if Christians want more crime fighting, it should be done with more police, not the military. Thus, the crime bill that Clinton signed was far superior than Trump's. Why? Clinton's was certainly constitutional, it was more permanent, it covered some 600 plus jurisdictions, with no real mess about what political affiliation the city was.

Oompa Loompa · Sep 2, 2025

Richard T said:
So why the infatuation with blue cities with crime but Trump?

Because blue cities, especially ones that have been permanently governed by democrat mayors for the last three decades are some of the most crime ridden. Trump didn't cause the crime problem, democrat policies did, and Trump is going to fix it. BTW, send the national guard to Wichita too.

DaisyDay · Sep 2, 2025

Uh-oh! Trump lost posse comitatus case Newsom brought against him. Judge ruled National Guard is not the national police force under Trump's whimsical command.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-newsom-los-angeles-national-guard-d6c8450a3ac2de34e669ef0836d22cbc

rjs330 · Sep 2, 2025

chevyontheriver said:
You have to remember that the leadership of some of these cities do not want more police, but less police. I think president Trump should stop considering deploying to any other cities and just clean up Washington DC. Reducing crime in DC while it runs rampant in other high crime cities will do more in the long run to change things.

Totally agree. The citizens in those cities have chosen to elect governments to run them and have chosen people who refuse to do what it takes to make them safe. DC is completely different and up until Trump Congress has not done what needed to be done either. But it is Federal. The other cities are not. Congress should focus on DC. Trump should focus on DC. If the other cities want help they can ask for it.

rjs330 · Sep 2, 2025

Richard T said:
We can say that this judge is liberal (he is) but Senator Paul certainly is not. But even if Christians want more crime fighting, it should be done with more police, not the military. Thus, the crime bill that Clinton signed was far superior than Trump's. Why? Clinton's was certainly constitutional, it was more permanent, it covered some 600 plus jurisdictions, with no real mess about what political affiliation the city was.

I completely agree. These cities should raise taxes on their citizens to provide enough police presence to lower crime. The states could do the same to help. The truth is they dont want to do that. They will raise taxes for everything else. So many complain about not taxing the rich. Well do it then. Raise taxes on the rich and use that money to pay for police.

Oompa Loompa · Sep 2, 2025

DaisyDay said:
Uh-oh! Trump lost posse comitatus case Newsom brought against him. Judge ruled National Guard is not the national police force under Trump's whimsical command.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-newsom-los-angeles-national-guard-d6c8450a3ac2de34e669ef0836d22cbc

Looks like a Supreme Court case to me.

ThatRobGuy · Sep 2, 2025

What exactly is this "investment" that they're claiming they need?

ThatRobGuy · Sep 2, 2025

Arcangl86 said:
Which is why most of the weapons used in Chicago come from outside the city or state.

I've heard that claim before, but that would beg the question... Why don't those other outside cities and states have the same issues?

It's also worth pointing out, that the tracing data would refute the common thing we always hear, which is "they're getting them from Gary Indiana"

A 2020 analysis by ABC found that across Illinois, 49.8% of crime guns were from Illinois, 16.7% from Indiana, followed by Missouri (5.4%), Wisconsin (3.9%), and Kentucky (2.6%).

Less than half the guns used in Illinois crime come from Illinois, data analysis shows

New data analyzed by the ABC7 I-Team found less than half of all guns used in crimes in Illinois came from Illinois.

abc7chicago.com

So the lion's share are from Illinois... Gun laws are set at the state level and Illinois has had "state preemption" since 2013 (meaning individual cities can't set laws that are stricter than the ones set by the state)

Or, in other words, some of the isolated pockets of gun violence in certain Chicago neighborhoods aren't the fault of Wisconsin and Indiana.

Richard T · Sep 3, 2025

rjs330 said:
I completely agree. These cities should raise taxes on their citizens to provide enough police presence to lower crime. The states could do the same to help. The truth is they dont want to do that. They will raise taxes for everything else. So many complain about not taxing the rich. Well do it then. Raise taxes on the rich and use that money to pay for police.

From what I read it might not be money but no one seems to want to be a cop in some of these places. I suppose raising the salaries would attract more talent, but likely they just need to lower the entry requirements as ICE has done.

Richard T · Sep 3, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Because blue cities, especially ones that have been permanently governed by democrat mayors for the last three decades are some of the most crime ridden. Trump didn't cause the crime problem, democrat policies did, and Trump is going to fix it. BTW, send the national guard to Wichita too.

Politicians with certain lax immigration policies are a factor in crime but there are others that are more influential. I don't blame the politicians, the people get what they voted for. So if they are soft on crime, then the citizens have given them their consent. I am glad every city is governed differently. You can always vote with your feet too if you do not like the taxes, crime, weather, schools etc.

Immigration is a federal enforcement issue, Trump is addressing that but everyday police work is for cops, not for the military. I support giving cities anything that is constitutional, reasonable and cost effective that will help them reduce crime. I am glad you would help red cities as well as those that are blue. When violent crime harms it's victims I don't think that a political party matters much.

"Factors Contributing to the Crime Decline

Better policing. ...
Waning crack cocaine demand. ...
Changing demographics. ...
More incarceration. ...
The economy. ...
Less cash. ...
Technology. ...
Private security."

chevyontheriver · Sep 3, 2025

Richard T said:
From what I read it might not be money but no one seems to want to be a cop in some of these places. I suppose raising the salaries would attract more talent, but likely they just need to lower the entry requirements as ICE has done.

There was a massive exodus of cops in Minneapolis starting in 2020, with literal attacks on police and city government reducing support for those same police. I wouldn’t want to make a career of being a Minneapolis police officer. Nor would most sane people. I’m sure that lowering standards and raising pay would help a bit but there have been underlying issues. It’s hardly a safe career choice in many cities.

chevyontheriver · Sep 3, 2025

Yttrium said:
What a great opportunity for a civil lockdown. We haven't had a good lockdown since the height of COVID. A little martial law never hurt anybody.

Crime, for a while, went down with lockdowns. Ergo martial law is a good thing. QED?

DaisyDay · Sep 3, 2025

I watched the president's news event yesterday. The number of people shot and people dead kept increasing the more he spoke. It was...odd.

Aldebaran · Sep 3, 2025

DaisyDay said:
I watched the president's news event yesterday. The number of people shot and people dead kept increasing the more he spoke. It was...odd.

You're talking about Chicago, right? Yes, as time goes on, people there keep getting shot and are dying. It underscores how the law enforcement there needs help in preventing those numbers from increasing so much.

Every weekend, there's a tally of how many were shot and killed in Chicago. The numbers are similar to a very big mass shooting event that makes the news for weeks. But since it's Chicago, so it's more normalized, and not so "odd" : Chicago shootings: 58 shot, 8 fatally, in Labor Day weekend gun violence, police say

rambot · Sep 3, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Yes! Please send more troops to other Democrat run cities to fix their crime problems!

But it was the republican voters who asked it.
Nobody is acknowledging this.

ThatRobGuy · Thursday at 9:18 AM

Richard T said:
Memphis, St. Louis, and Baltimore and others have higher crime rates than Chicago.

There's a interesting political game of sorts that gets played with Chicago in particular.

On one hand, I don't think it's any big secret that there's still a subset of conservatives who's wanted to specifically fixate on Chicago simply on the basis of "that's where Obama is from" and are still clinging onto that a decade later.

But on the other hand, the defenders of Chicago are ignoring a bit of context.

That context being that while the entirety of the incorporated Chicago area may have a lower rate than the entirety of the incorporated areas of other major cities, they have specific Chicago neighborhoods that are uniquely dangerous, and they have large areas that are a little more "ritzy" that water down the extent of just how dangerous some of the neighborhoods are when viewed as an overall incorporated statistic.

For example (homicide rates): West Garfield Park (160 per 100k) and West Englewood (101 per 100k) and Riverdale (97 per 100k)

So while Cleveland has a homicide rate of 33 per 100k, and Chicago only has a rate of 24 per 100k (for their entire incorporated areas)

The only neighborhood in Cleveland that's even remotely close to West Garfield Park (in terms of violent crime/homicide rates) would be the St Clair-Superior neighborhood. (and that's a relatively small neighborhood of only about 3500 people)

If a city has multiple large neighborhoods (West Garfield Park has almost 20,000 people if memory serves, West Englewood has about 25,000 -- not sure about Riverdale) that have homicide, assault, and robbery rates that are on par with Tijuana Mexico... there's going to be some negative attention that comes along with that...regardless of whether or not the incorporated area of the city includes some "high end" areas that bring the overall number down.

Aldebaran · Thursday at 1:50 PM

rambot said:
But it was the republican voters who asked it.
Nobody is acknowledging this.

The Mayor of DC isn't Repubublican.

“I’m very proud of Washington,” Trump said after Bowser signed the Tuesday order. “It can be used as a template.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5483498-muriel-bowser-dc-task-force-trump-takeover/

rambot · Thursday at 2:08 PM

Aldebaran said:
The Mayor of DC isn't Repubublican.

“I’m very proud of Washington,” Trump said after Bowser signed the Tuesday order. “It can be used as a template.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5483498-muriel-bowser-dc-task-force-trump-takeover/

ThatRobGuy said:
There's a interesting political game of sorts that gets played with Chicago in particular.

On one hand, I don't think it's any big secret that there's still a subset of conservatives who's wanted to specifically fixate on Chicago simply on the basis of "that's where Obama is from" and are still clinging onto that a decade later.

But on the other hand, the defenders of Chicago are ignoring a bit of context.

That context being that while the entirety of the incorporated Chicago area may have a lower rate than the entirety of the incorporated areas of other major cities, they have specific Chicago neighborhoods that are uniquely dangerous, and they have large areas that are a little more "ritzy" that water down the extent of just how dangerous some of the neighborhoods are when viewed as an overall incorporated statistic.

For example (homicide rates): West Garfield Park (160 per 100k) and West Englewood (101 per 100k) and Riverdale (97 per 100k)

So while Cleveland has a homicide rate of 33 per 100k, and Chicago only has a rate of 24 per 100k (for their entire incorporated areas)

The only neighborhood in Cleveland that's even remotely close to West Garfield Park (in terms of violent crime/homicide rates) would be the St Clair-Superior neighborhood. (and that's a relatively small neighborhood of only about 3500 people)

If a city has multiple large neighborhoods (West Garfield Park has almost 20,000 people if memory serves, West Englewood has about 25,000 -- not sure about Riverdale) that have homicide, assault, and robbery rates that are on par with Tijuana Mexico... there's going to be some negative attention that comes along with that...regardless of whether or not the incorporated area of the city includes some "high end" areas that bring the overall number down.

There's always a way to make something look "more or less dangerous". Are we going to be okay with sending the national guard into "certain areas of cities"? Why would that be justifiable? That sounds more like targetted oppression and I'm Postive it would be taken that way.

Aldebaran · Thursday at 3:29 PM

rambot said:
There's always a way to make something look "more or less dangerous". Are we going to be okay with sending the national guard into "certain areas of cities"? Why would that be justifiable? That sounds more like targetted oppression and I'm Postive it would be taken that way.

If criminals feel so oppressed that they stop their criminal behavior, I'm ok with that.
Seems to have worked out well in DC.

rambot · Thursday at 4:43 PM

Aldebaran said:
If criminals feel so oppressed that they stop their criminal behavior, I'm ok with that.

What are you even talking about "if criminals feel oppressed?"
Do you think there are no common citizens in Chicago? Do you think EVERYONE is a criminal there? Do you think every Chicago citizen would be happy about the NG coming there.

Also, if big city American police aren't going to stop gangsters....you seriously think the NG is going to get it done?
That is some signficant, baseless, hope.

Aldebaran said:
Seems to have worked out well in DC.

What are you even talking about? There was insufficient crime to send the NG to DC too. They're doing landscape work because there is nothing to do.

They weren't needed before. Their impact is nothing. Their morale is low (probably because they are 100% aware that this is political posturing and nothing a necessary operation)

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