We Don’t Need Gun Control, We Need To Classify Gender Dysphoria As A Mental Illness Again

RocksInMyHead · Monday at 7:34 PM

Tuur said:
We can rule out access to firearms because we went from mail order firearms to background checks and waiting periods

I don't think we can rule out access to guns as a contributing factor. First of all, the things you cite as reducing access are not universal - NICS is only required at the dealer level, and state applications of background checks to private purchases are inconsistent. Additionally, since not all state background check systems talk to each other, someone might be flagged in one state but still be able to purchase a gun in another state. And only 13 states plus DC have waiting periods.

Second, the sheer number of guns relative to 60 years ago would belie your claim that access is more restricted. While there may be more laws around gun ownership, a lot more people own guns. Guns in circulation already are very easily-accessed, either by the owner, or family members, or thieves. And private-party sales are next to impossible to regulate effectively since there is no central database of guns and owners - it basically relies on the honor system.

That's not to say that I think access to firearms is the only cause - @Larniavc laid out some good societal explanations in his post - but dismissing it out of hand just because there is more regulation now than there used to be is a mistake.

Postvieww · Monday at 9:12 PM

comana said:
Let’s be honest. As long as there is a constitutional right to own guns in this country, there is no real solution. The outrage from this episode of US school shootings will fade away from public discourse until the next one. Rinse and repeat.

Your post is apparently ignoring the obvious because seemingly being invested in the liberal gun stance is the overriding factor. Using the logic in the above post there is no point in the secret service or private security for anyone until guns are eliminated from existence, Please help me understand why SOME liberals cannot bring themselves to support increased security for the very children they claim to be at risk. This stance tells me for some the gun issue is more important for a talking point than a real and workable solution to protect children.

Oompa Loompa · Monday at 9:21 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
OP isn’t merely disagreeing with an ideology. He’s spreading bigotry.

The facts are that boys cannot be girls, and girls cannot be boys. The monster the left has created is so delusioned that they are willing to commit violent acts to promote the delusion the left has promoted. This is a problem the left has created, now the left has to figure out how to deal with it while their party collapses. Lest the same delusional mob starts to devour the party more than it has been going do now.

Oompa Loompa · Monday at 9:23 PM

Bradskii said:
They can protect schools and keep them nice and clean.

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That is such an old photo. ACUs have not been used for at least 10 years. Update your sources.

RileyG · Monday at 9:42 PM

ViaCrucis said:
This thread is gross.

-CryptoLutheran

What is gross is taking God’s creation and mutilating it.

Mental illness is a fact of life.

It’s not “hateful.” It just is.

Bradskii · Monday at 10:22 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
That is such an old photo. ACUs have not been used for at least 10 years. Update your sources.

This thread is not to be treated seriously by any reasonable person. So I'll post what I want.

FreeinChrist · Monday at 10:28 PM

Valletta said:
By percentage transgenders are committing more mass shootings than the rest of the population.

No, they are not. What you are posting is a lie.

By percentage, 97% of mass shootings are by males, and 53% of those men are white. In contrast, transgenders are responsible for less than 1% if nass shootings.

Perhaps being a white cisgender male should be a mental illness.

Valletta · Monday at 11:17 PM

FreeinChrist said:
No, they are not.

The transgender population is only a tiny percentage of the overall population yet within the tiny transgender population the number of mass shootings is indeed high. This was not an isolated incident:

These are all the mass shootings committed by trans people in the US

The latest case occurred on Wednesday at a Catholic Church and school in Minneapolis.

thepostmillennial.com

Oompa Loompa · Monday at 11:32 PM

Bradskii said:
This thread is not to be treated seriously by any reasonable person. So I'll post what I want.

Okay. Noted. Non serious garbage photos from Bradskii not to be taken seriously.

DaisyDay · Tuesday at 5:36 AM

Desk trauma said:
That’s the thing, there is no “need to” there is no imperative here, only some dead kids. We have proven we’re willing to go through the motions of how awful this is rend our garments then wait for it to happen again over and over for decades. This isn’t a movie, things don’t change just because they’re awful.

There can always be more awful.

RocksInMyHead · Tuesday at 8:02 AM

Valletta said:
The transgender population is only a tiny percentage of the overall population yet within the tiny transgender population the number of mass shootings is indeed high. This was not an isolated incident:

These are all the mass shootings committed by trans people in the US

The latest case occurred on Wednesday at a Catholic Church and school in Minneapolis.

thepostmillennial.com

As I posted in another thread, there have been approximately 4000 mass shootings in the US since 2018. 4 (or 5 if you count the Club Q guy, who, iirc, probably isn't actually trans) by trans people. That's about 0.1%, or ten times lower than the trans population in the US.

I'm sure it seems high - especially because right wing media loves to play up anything that might stoke hatred against trans people, so any incidents like this will be endlessly harped upon and reported as if it's a huge problem - but the data says otherwise.

GoldenBoy89 · Tuesday at 9:43 AM

RileyG said:
No. He’s not.

Yeah he is. To single out one group of people and paint them as the problem with gun violence in this country is just the definition of bigotry. You might not like the sound of that, but that’s what it is.

GoldenBoy89 · Tuesday at 9:46 AM

Bradskii said:
Keeping DC safe...

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How are those rakes standing there by themselves?!

RileyG · Tuesday at 10:03 AM

GoldenBoy89 said:
Yeah he is. To single out one group of people and paint them as the problem with gun violence in this country is just the definition of bigotry. You might not like the sound of that, but that’s what it is.

No. It’s not. Some people aren’t comfortable with transgendered people and it’s no surprise that have co morbid other disorders.

They may not like hearing they really aren’t the opposite gender regardless of their so called “identity” but it is what it is.

Hans Blaster · Tuesday at 10:38 AM

RileyG said:
No. It’s not. Some people aren’t comfortable with transgendered people and it’s no surprise that have co morbid other disorders.

The discomfort of others with transgendered people does not mean the transgendered people are "co-morbid" to "other disorders."

RileyG said:
They may not like hearing they really aren’t the opposite gender regardless of their so called “identity” but it is what it is.

And the expertise you are relying on is what: personal experience, gut feelings, retail clerk training, what?

RileyG · Tuesday at 10:44 AM

Hans Blaster said:
The discomfort of others with transgendered people does not mean the transgendered people are "co-morbid" to "other disorders."

And the expertise you are relying on is what: personal experience, gut feelings, retail clerk training, what?

No. Other mental health disorders. If anything, it needs to be further studied. Furthermore, most trans people are VICTIMS of violence. Maybe I wasn’t clear.

And yes. I’ve been in a situation where a person was “misgendered” and they wanted my former coworker fired over it. So, so ridiculous.

iluvatar5150 · Tuesday at 10:48 AM

RileyG said:
No. Other mental health disorders. If anything, it needs to be further studied. Furthermore, most trans people are VICTIMS of violence. Maybe I wasn’t clear.

And yes. I’ve been in a situation where a person was “misgendered” and they wanted my former coworker fired over it. So, so ridiculous.

Was the misgendering deliberate or accidental?

RileyG · Tuesday at 10:49 AM

iluvatar5150 said:
Was the misgendering deliberate or accidental?

Completely accidental, it was over the phone.

And, without sounding impolite, this person who identified as a trans woman, literally looked like a man in a dress, so it would be difficult for a person to know for sure how to address them.

Oompa Loompa · Tuesday at 11:00 AM

Hans Blaster said:
The discomfort of others with transgendered people does not mean the transgendered people are "co-morbid" to "other disorders."

And the expertise you are relying on is what: personal experience, gut feelings, retail clerk training, what?

"Experts!" This guy is talking about "experts." How about the fact that all of humanity recognized a man as a man and a woman as a woman for thousands of years up until about five minutes ago when the "experts" suggested otherwise. Common sense is dying, and the left is killing it.

Say it aint so · Tuesday at 11:06 AM

Postvieww said:
I notice you ignore the one action that could have the most immediate impact in saving the lives of those precious children. Simply just protect them like we do politicians and celebrities. Why is that not part of the conversation if it is the children who are our primary concern? Our children are our future and worth protecting. This gun grabbing mentality will not get the job done especially in the short term. Why are people not screaming as loudly to protect our children?

This admin just about to shutter the Department of Education where schools who don't have enough money to make sure kids have books and breakfast have those funds to provide those things. Those teachers having to buy pencils out their pockets is a real thing. Moreover, some of those shootings did have security there. What are you proposing? Have "politician and celebrity" like security walk them both and forth from recess and bathroom breaks? And yes a country with the right to own guns yet a washed with guns more than any other country per capita should do what it can to make sure the wrong people don't have them. Every other country where citizens can own guns manage to control it responsibility. Thoughts and prayers then wash, rinse, and repeat is not working.

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