6,000 Years?

Job 33:6 · Aug 30, 2025

Amo2 said:
Herein lies the main problem of your above comparison, in that nothing you ever say or do will ever amount to anything even remotely like God's word, its power, authority and or the immediate action which follows it. That you would even make such a comparison, is revealing. Why would I need to argue anything about you and pizza, when the very scriptures you quote conclusively state that God said let there be a certain thing, and immediate action took place unto that very thing in one day. Which is of course a literal rendering of just exactly what is written, which you quoted while denying what is actually and literally written right in front of your face. Though this is certainly not the only place in scripture that this exact process is literally spelled out for us. Which you also apparently deny according to your abilities regarding the cooking of pizza or not, as though the two incidences had anything at all to do with each other or in common. Go figure.

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light...............................
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.............................
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so................................
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so...............................
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.................................
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Each of the creation events above and in Genesis one are said to have occurred in one day. That is simply and literally what is written. Which testimony has been confirmed in other portions of scripture.

Psa 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth. 5 He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. 6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. 18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report. 13 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.(NIV)

1 In the beginning God (Elohim) created [by forming from nothing] the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void or a waste and emptiness, and darkness was upon the face of the deep [primeval ocean that covered the unformed earth].(AMP)

2 The earth was without form and an empty waste, and darkness was upon the face of the very great deep. The Spirit of God was moving (hovering, brooding) over the face of the waters.(AMPC)

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was unformed and void, darkness was on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God hovered over the surface of the water.(CJB)

1 ·In the beginning [or In the beginning when] God created [ this Hebrew verb is used only when God is the one creating] the ·sky [heavens] and the earth. 2 ·The [or…the] earth ·had no form and was empty [or was a formless void]. Darkness covered the ·ocean [deep], and ·God’s Spirit [or a mighty wind] was ·moving [hovering] over the water.(EXB)

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"void of understanding."

Did God ever say "let there be a formless earth and darkness over the face of the deep"? No? Ok, that's not part of the 6-days of creation.

Jipsah · Aug 30, 2025

Platte said:
And btw. God did define a day.

An evening and a morning, as I recall. Which works great when you have a sun, and assuming that the earth's orbit was a a settled decision after the sun was installed. And no, the mere existence of light doesn't suffice for the measurement of time unless you're using light's speed, and not the duration of "evenings and mornings". So you're still invoking a fiat "day" as a definiitive measurement of elapsed time, when we have every reason to believe that is not the case based on easily observed empirical data. The net effect is that it's not at all a good basis for a dogma.

But that's OK. The Christian Faith isn't based on Genesis. It's based on the entrance of the Creator, God Himself, directly into human history. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made. 'Nuff said, Trying to impose man-made time measurements onto it is nonsense. God's "days" aren't the same as ours. You may have read this, but if you're like most folks you've tried to force a human understanding of time on it.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing: that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God's "days" aren't 24 solar hours. That's the Christian position.

Jipsah · Aug 30, 2025

Amo2 said:
There is nothing in the first verse of Genesis that necessitates an allegorical rendering of the creation account.

The lack of a sun for the first three days of Creation make those "evenings" and "mornings" problematic, don't you think?
(And just for entertainment porpoises, how long are "evenings" and "morning" at the earth's poles? )
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Amo2 said:
If there is, please do expound upon that which therefore has apparently limited God to allegory alone

Nice try, but nothing has made God allegorical, just the "days" of Creation. But you may want to allegorize this:
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing: that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day".

Amo2 said:
, concerning the days of creation mentioned in the creation account.

See above. You may want to square St, Peter away when the opportunity arises.

Here's all you really need to know about the Creation:
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made.

Amo2 · Aug 30, 2025

Job 33:6 said:
A good video on YEC views of where people came from.

Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

As is obvious from the book of Genesis itself, the birth and or lineage of women was not recorded in these scriptures, other than to mention that Adam and his descendants had many sons and daughters not among those recorded. The first seven chapters of Genesis cover a period of about two thousand years, the vast majority of the history in relation to the greater part of humanity therefore, we are not informed about at all. In other than generalizations, accepting the few specifics addressed concerning the main peoples and events leading up to the first, end of this world. It makes no sense therefore to consider that which is recorded, as intending to be an accurate chronological account of all peoples and or events portrayed. To the contrary, it is most obviously a summary of only the most crucial events, concerning the most crucial people involved. Without much regard for the lineage or lives of countless peoples and events therefore, contemporary with them. Which are rightly left unaddressed or recorded, for the sake of comprehension and preservation of the most important and or pertinent truths.

We simply are not informed of all the peoples and especially women of the day. Nor therefore is anything in relation to them therefore, necessarily related in any sort of actual chronological order. To the contrary, only the main points of the main lives involved are related any such order. Obviously, what was recorded, was not intended to be a detailed and accurate account of who is who, and or by who. Save among the most prominent and important figures themselves. As the greater part of humanity during the two thousand years recorded in Genesis 1-7 are not in fact addressed at all. The presumption of the above video is that the short historical account of Genesis 1-7 does not leave any actual people out of its testimony. While these scriptures themselves indicate that this is exactly what they do, in not mentioning the births or lineage of any women, and stating within the lineages provided that there were many sons and daughters not included in those provided.

Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

It appears likely from the above verses that Seth was the next male born to Adam, although the particulars mentioned concerning him, may be suggestive of others born before him. Who evidently were not according to his won likeness or image. We do not know however, how many daughters had been born before and or up to this time, as the birth of women was not recorded. There may have been and probably were daughters born before, in between, and or after Cain and Abel.

Job 33:6 · Aug 30, 2025

Amo2 said:
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

As is obvious from the book of Genesis itself, the birth and or lineage of women was not recorded in these scriptures, other than to mention that Adam and his descendants had many sons and daughters not among those recorded. The first seven chapters of Genesis cover a period of about two thousand years, the vast majority of the history in relation to the greater part of humanity therefore, we are not informed about at all. In other than generalizations, accepting the few specifics addressed concerning the main peoples and events leading up to the first, end of this world. It makes no sense therefore to consider that which is recorded, as intending to be an accurate chronological account of all peoples and or events portrayed. To the contrary, it is most obviously a summary of only the most crucial events, concerning the most crucial people involved. Without much regard for the lineage or lives of countless peoples and events therefore, contemporary with them. Which are rightly left unaddressed or recorded, for the sake of comprehension and preservation of the most important and or pertinent truths.

We simply are not informed of all the peoples and especially women of the day. Nor therefore is anything in relation to them therefore, necessarily related in any sort of actual chronological order. To the contrary, only the main points of the main lives involved are related any such order. Obviously, what was recorded, was not intended to be a detailed and accurate account of who is who, and or by who. Save among the most prominent and important figures themselves. As the greater part of humanity during the two thousand years recorded in Genesis 1-7 are not in fact addressed at all. The presumption of the above video is that the short historical account of Genesis 1-7 does not leave any actual people out of its testimony. While these scriptures themselves indicate that this is exactly what they do, in not mentioning the births or lineage of any women, and stating within the lineages provided that there were many sons and daughters not included in those provided.

Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

It appears likely from the above verses that Seth was the next male born to Adam, although the particulars mentioned concerning him, may be suggestive of others born before him. Who evidently were not according to his won likeness or image. We do not know however, how many daughters had been born before and or up to this time, as the birth of women was not recorded. There may have been and probably were daughters born before, in between, and or after Cain and Abel.

Regarding Genesis 5:4, I would look at the statement there, "after" he had begotten Seth were 800 years: and...

Which is to say that Seth was born within the time frame of 100 years or the first 100 years. The other sons and daughters are part of the second part of that statement, during the following 800 years.

It's not as though the text says:
Gen 5:3 And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: and he begat sons and daughters.

4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat more sons and daughters:

The sons and daughters are simply identified in the period of time after the birth of Seth. With the easiest reconciliation of this being that, humanity in Genesis 1:26 is more than just Adam and Eve.

Just my two cents. People have debated this for centuries, so I'm not sure that we will solve it today.

Platte · Aug 30, 2025

Jipsah said:
An evening and a morning, as I recall. Which works great when you have a sun, and assuming that the earth's orbit was a a settled decision after the sun was installed. And no, the mere existence of light doesn't suffice for the measurement of time unless you're using light's speed, and not the duration of "evenings and mornings". So you're still invoking a fiat "day" as a definiitive measurement of elapsed time, when we have every reason to believe that is not the case based on easily observed empirical data. The net effect is that it's not at all a good basis for a dogma.

But that's OK. The Christian Faith isn't based on Genesis. It's based on the entrance of the Creator, God Himself, directly into human history. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made. 'Nuff said, Trying to impose man-made time measurements onto it is nonsense. God's "days" aren't the same as ours. You may have read this, but if you're like most folks you've tried to force a human understanding of time on it.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing: that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God's "days" aren't 24 solar hours. That's the Christian position.

Any single light source and a rotating earth would present an evening and a morning. And you can still understand the concept of a day as signified in the context would signify a 24 hour day. And later confirmed in many scriptures. I can provide you a list if you like.

Funny. You can’t define a day but you can define 1000 years. And “as is” is a comparison phrase not a replacement phrase

Platte · Aug 30, 2025

The Barbarian said:
Yes. A lot of people believe in a 6,000 year old Earth which holy scripture does not support or even suggest in any way, shape, or form.

that’s a pretty bold thing to say considering the chronologies in the Bible date Adam 6000 years ago

Job 33:6 · Aug 30, 2025

Platte said:
that’s a pretty ballsy thing to say considering the chronologies in the Bible date Adam 6000 years ago

Genesis 1:1-3 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

The Bible doesn't say how long the earth was formless before God began to create it by giving it form.

Platte · Sunday at 7:47 AM

Job 33:6 said:
Genesis 1:1-3 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

The Bible doesn't say how long the earth was formless before God began to create it by giving it form.

According to the Scripture you just posted it wasn’t long since the Scripture you just provided is what happened on day 1. Day 3 you get some form (topography)

Job 33:6 · Sunday at 9:06 AM

Platte said:
According to the Scripture you just posted it wasn’t long since the Scripture you just provided is what happened on day 1. Day 3 you get some form (topography)

Genesis 1:1-3 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

The earth was formless on day 1, but the question is, how long was it formless before day 1 when God began to create the heavens and the earth?

Jipsah · Sunday at 10:05 AM

Platte said:
Any single light source and a rotating earth would present an evening and a morning.

Which leaves your lot the necessity of inventing said light source, since Scripture doesn't mention one. You also have to make it of a size and magnitude and distance from the Earth so that it gives you the required 24 hour "day". In other words, you have to invent a pre-sun sun that Scripture doesn't mention. But I'm sure that won't hinder your lot any more than the empirical evidence of an old universe does.

Platte said:
And you can still understand the concept of a day as signified in the context would signify a 24 hour day.

I understand what a solar "day" is, sure. I'm not at all sure that you do.

Platte said:
And later confirmed in many scriptures. I can provide you a list if you like.

By all means, please do.

Platte said:
Funny. You can’t define a day but you can define 1000 years.

Oh, I can define a day quite easily. It's one revolution of the earth. But the "evening and morning" definition requires a sun, whch your very creative Creation beliefs don't have for the first three "days" of Creation. So you're stuck with contriving a sun-before-the-sun to supply your evenings and morrnings. Are there any other major additions to your 6-86,400-second-day Creation?

Oh, as for your dislike of the "1000 year day" for God, the point wasn't to present a mathematical formulad to convert a solar day to a God Day, it was to convey the truth that God isn't bound by time as we are. But you probably don't believe that,either.

davetaff · Sunday at 10:31 AM

Hi where back to the creation before the flood its irrelevant because God destroyed everything in the flood except for Noah and everything on the ark.
So God began a new creation with Noah and everything on the ark the onlything missing was man in the image of God the first one he created was Israel this is man in the image of God in the flesh which was rejected so God began a new creation with Jesus Christ this would be completed at Christs second coming when he gathers all believers into his body and presents them to the Father this is man in the image of God he would be constructed after the pattern of Israel.

God the Father represented by Moses
Jesus Christ represented by Aaron
The church represented by the the tribe of Levi
The 11 tribes the children of God

Love and peace
Dave

Platte · Sunday at 5:52 PM

Job 33:6 said:
Genesis 1:1-3 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

The earth was formless on day 1, but the question is, how long was it formless before day 1 when God began to create the heavens and the earth?

Read closer. The beginning was day 1

Platte · Sunday at 5:54 PM

Jipsah said:
Which leaves your lot the necessity of inventing said light source, since Scripture doesn't mention one. You also have to make it of a size and magnitude and distance from the Earth so that it gives you the required 24 hour "day". In other words, you have to invent a pre-sun sun that Scripture doesn't mention. But I'm sure that won't hinder your lot any more than the empirical evidence of an old universe does.

I understand what a solar "day" is, sure. I'm not at all sure that you do.

By all means, please do.

Oh, I can define a day quite easily. It's one revolution of the earth. But the "evening and morning" definition requires a sun, whch your very creative Creation beliefs don't have for the first three "days" of Creation.

God saw the light he created in day 1 and that’s all I need to know.

Jipsah said:
So you're stuck with contriving a sun-before-the-sun to supply your evenings and morrnings. Are there any other major additions to your 6-86,400-second-day Creation?

Oh, as for your dislike of the "1000 year day" for God, the point wasn't to present a mathematical formulad to convert a solar day to a God Day, it was to convey the truth that God isn't bound by time as we are. But you probably don't believe that,either.

The Sabbath Day

Job 33:6 · Sunday at 6:50 PM

Platte said:
Read closer. The beginning was day 1

Genesis 1:1-2 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.

Sure. And the question is, how long was the earth formless before day 1, when God began to create the heavens and the earth?

Jipsah · Sunday at 8:45 PM

Platte said:
God saw the light he created in day 1 and that’s all I need to know.

I.E., you have no idea at all how there could have been "an evening and a morning" where there was no sun. Surprise, surprise. You're just reciting your demonination's doctrine, which I value at precisely at the price charged.

It is as St.Peter said - God's "days" aren't like ours. But I guess that's one of those New Testament ideas that have to be ignored lest they damage your Old Testament doctrines.

Jipsah · Sunday at 8:48 PM

Platte said:
The Sabbath Day

Purely symbolic.

Platte · Monday at 9:39 AM

Jipsah said:
Purely symbolic.

So sayeth Jipsah

Platte · Monday at 9:40 AM

Jipsah said:
I.E., you have no idea at all how there could have been "an evening and a morning" where there was no sun. Surprise, surprise. You're just reciting your demonination's doctrine, which I value at precisely at the price charged.

It is as St.Peter said - God's "days" aren't like ours. But I guess that's one of those New Testament ideas that have to be ignored lest they damage your Old Testament doctrines.

So tell us. How was there an evening and a morning without the sun?

Jipsah · Monday at 3:36 PM

Platte said:
So sayeth Jipsah

Better to just make up a "sun" that Scripture somehow never bothers to mention, right? (I'll bet y'all claim to be "sola Scriptura" too, don't you? Even if you have to help the Bible along along where it misses stuff

) You're hoist on your own petard there, OM. You can't make your own doctrine work without adding your own made up stuff to what the Bible actually says. Doubleplus ungood.

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