Newsome pushed back against Democracy to achieve his political goals

Hentenza · Saturday at 10:39 AM

Always in His Presence said:
New Mexico:

Voters 44% Republican - Representatives - 0

Hmmm......

Election winners bonus?

Always in His Presence · Saturday at 1:02 PM

Always in His Presence said:
Can you not state whether you believe being under represented is fair or unfair -

?? Perhaps it is only fair when one side does it?

Aldebaran · Saturday at 1:11 PM

7thKeeper said:
Texas didn't wait until 2031 because Texas redistricted before that? Kinda... Circular logic you got going there.

I'm not the one who drew a circular conclusion based on my answer.

Aldebaran · Saturday at 1:12 PM

wing2000 said:
The Governor of Texas had a choice to make when asked to find 5 more seats. So did the Governor of Georgia when asked to find over 11k votes in 2021. One of these men failed their country.

They don't govern the country.

Aldebaran · Saturday at 1:13 PM

wing2000 said:
To be exact with the president's quote: "We are entitled to five more seats."

Alas, we don't have a recording of a conversation between the president and Abbot, but it's obvious to everyone that Abbot is following the president's wishes.

Abbot is simply trying to make sure his state has the same democracy places like CA and IL enjoy.

Aldebaran · Saturday at 1:17 PM

Always in His Presence said:
New Mexico:

Voters 44% Republican - Representatives - 0

Hmmm......

An example of a Totalitarian State. CA and IL are on their way to that now.

7thKeeper · Saturday at 2:24 PM

Aldebaran said:
I'm not the one who drew a circular conclusion based on my answer.

Yes, you literally are the one with the circular logic/answer. Your answer to why Texas did what they did, is that the reason is the same as for California. And California is putting the districting up for a vote because Texas did their redistricting.

So you are literally saying that Texas couldn't wait until 2031, because Texas did it now. That was your circular logic there in that response.

Hans Blaster · Saturday at 7:25 PM

Aldebaran said:
Abbot is simply trying to make sure his state has the same democracy places like CA and IL enjoy.

Texas was gerrymandered in 2021 already. (As was Illinois.) California has an independent commission.

Here is an assessment of gerrymandering for all states:

Redistricting Report Card

Gerrymandering Project

gerrymander.princeton.edu

Say it aint so · Saturday at 8:19 PM

One more time.
You can thank the conservatives on the SCOTUS for this mess.
They are the one's who killed parts of the civil rights voting act that dealt with gerrymandering.
They are the one's who either thought parties would play nice.
...or maybe it was all a hat tip to what is going on in.......Texas.

Always in His Presence · Saturday at 10:03 PM

eclipsenow · Sunday at 1:21 AM

Hentenza said:
I’m an independent so don’t care much for Trump. You seem to have all the answers there in your post but I have a question since no one here has replied to my comments yet. How come California has 9 Republican congressional seats out of 52 total congregational seats when the voting party split is 40% Republican and 59% Democrat? I think I see some previous gerrymandering going on. At least Texas has 13 Democrats out of 38 seats. So if Newsom gets its way then the Republican seats will drop to 4 out of 52. I just love California’s definition of democracy.

I'm Australian - not American. I'm not quite sure how California works, and what systems it has in place.

In Australia, a significant minority will vote Greens - but only a tiny number actually get elected. That's because more people vote for other people, and when our primary choice (Greens in this example) does not come first - our second preference gets counted. This preferential system means we still get the count the number of people who voted for one party, but ultimately represents who (with preferences) gets elected from the major parties.

That's in our Parliament. For our Senate - we count votes across the whole state. So it's a different form of representation - and has different mathematical outcomes.

Long story short - any electoral division system might have a significant voter block - say 30% of the vote - that will NOT be represented simply because MORE people voted for someone else. But Senate systems that are state wide seem to represent the broader 30% more accurately. Does that help?

Pommer · Sunday at 3:07 AM

Always in His Presence said:
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I ain’t no math whiz, by any stretch, but 38% for California nets 9 seats, that’s nearly parity of 38% of 52

eclipsenow · Sunday at 6:02 AM

Always in His Presence said:
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What is your source - and is this all the House or the Senate or a spread across Congress? I don't know what we are discussing here.

Always in His Presence · Sunday at 7:21 AM

Pommer said:
I ain’t no math whiz, by any stretch, but 38% for California nets 9 seats, that’s nearly parity of 38% of 52

You are correct, you are no math whiz by any stretch

52 x .38 =19.76

Always in His Presence · Sunday at 7:24 AM

eclipsenow said:
What is your source - and is this all the House or the Senate or a spread across Congress? I don't know what we are discussing here.

I would humbly suggest you do some research on how the American Political system is set up before you post.

We are discussing STATE governments, not Federal.

Hentenza · Sunday at 7:38 AM

eclipsenow said:
I'm Australian - not American. I'm not quite sure how California works, and what systems it has in place.

In Australia, a significant minority will vote Greens - but only a tiny number actually get elected. That's because more people vote for other people, and when our primary choice (Greens in this example) does not come first - our second preference gets counted. This preferential system means we still get the count the number of people who voted for one party, but ultimately represents who (with preferences) gets elected from the major parties.

That's in our Parliament. For our Senate - we count votes across the whole state. So it's a different form of representation - and has different mathematical outcomes.

Long story short - any electoral division system might have a significant voter block - say 30% of the vote - that will NOT be represented simply because MORE people voted for someone else. But Senate systems that are state wide seem to represent the broader 30% more accurately. Does that help?

In political science classes is a theory called winner‘s bonus. It happens in every election, however, the disparity in numbers goes beyond the concept. California has rigged the districts for years to manipulate the present outcome and several other, primarily blue states, have done the same. The nonsense talk about the “will” of the people (the voter) by the left is nothing but a fairy tale.

Hans Blaster · Sunday at 12:32 PM

Always in His Presence said:
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Always in His Presence · Sunday at 12:43 PM

Hans Blaster said:
Why is text presented as an image? Copy and paste please, no screenshots.

You would still complain

How about disputing the numbers instead

essentialsaltes · Sunday at 1:25 PM

Always in His Presence said:
You would still complain

How about disputing the numbers instead

There's nothing wrong with the numbers; it's your expectations about what minority parties should receive in a system based on 50%+1 voting.

Connecticut's boundaries haven't changed significantly in years. But as the state got bluer, Republicans shrank from a majority of districts to zero, using the same lines.

Hans Blaster · Sunday at 2:49 PM

Always in His Presence said:
You would still complain

How about disputing the numbers instead

What is there there to dispute. They look like numbers to me. Did you have a point that you could type out?

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