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God's unconditional promises to the ancient nation of Israel

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If you had the Spirit of God dwelling in you, your spiritual eyes would be open to see. Your natural eyes and your natural mental process are useless to the things of the Spirit (1 Cor. 2:14)
I would never say to anyone on the other 3 forums that they are CARNAL and that the word of God is FOOLISHNESS TO me andnnthat I cannot know it because IT IS ( REFERS BACK TO VERSE 7 ) because it is being SPIRITUALLY EXAMINED .

But believe what verse 15 says to me , But the spiritual one indeed EXAMINES all things , yet he is being EXAMINED by no ONE .

Praying for you !

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I would never say to anyone on the other 3 forums that they are CARNAL and that the word of God is FOOLISHNESS TO me andnnthat I cannot know it because IT IS ( REFERS BACK TO VERSE 7 ) because it is being SPIRITUALLY EXAMINED .

But believe what verse 15 says to me , But the spiritual one indeed EXAMINES all things , yet he is being EXAMINED by no ONE .

Praying for you !

dan p
Listen, I explained something to you that is basic, and you didn't get it. What am I supposed to say that will not offend you? Either you are a humble brother able to receive from another brother, or you are too proud to even consider that there is something that you haven't grasped yet.
 
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Listen, I explained something to you that is basic, and you didn't get it. What am I supposed to say that will not offend you? Either you are a humble brother able to receive from another brother, or you are too proud to even consider that there is something that you haven't grasped yet.
ALL that are dispensationalist , have a mission statement and is found in Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the FELLOESHIP of the MYSTERY which from the BEGINING of the world HATH been HID in God , who created all tings by Jesus Christ .

Sorry that you believe ,that I offended you .

dan p
 
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ALL that are dispensationalist , have a mission statement and is found in Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the FELLOESHIP of the MYSTERY which from the BEGINING of the world HATH been HID in God , who created all tings by Jesus Christ .

Sorry that you believe ,that I offended you .

dan p
ALL that are dispensationalist , have a mission statement and is found in Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the FELLOESHIP of the MYSTERY which from the BEGINING of the world HATH been HID in God , who created all tings by Jesus Christ .

Sorry that you believe ,that I offended you .

dan p
LOL! Go and scam someone else. I'm done here.
 
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If you were on web a site that was on this year and if you disagreed with their view , of the owner , they would ASK you to leave and even use 4 letter words , and to help you leave

Notice your verse at the bottom , John 3:8 and reads The wind blows , and when looking at the Greek text , they translated PNEUMA as wind , when PNEUMA really means SPIRIT , and I can see why they translated it WIND , a figure of speech and so when reading that verse , they have a better view of how the HOW SPIRIT WORKS and many forget that the Holy spirit had a role in the OLD TESTAMENT and thru all the bible
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John Nelso Darby did not invent dispensationalism. It was Edward Irving. He first preached dispensationalism on December 25th 1825, and next time the same day a year later, he claimed in his magazine The Morning Watch, available on Google books.
This teaching was "confirmed" by some of his "prophets" including Robert Baxter, who soon rejected the teaching and charismatic "utterances" and accused himself of delusion.
The Irvingites believed that the rapture would take place in July 1835, and gathered together on that day. Irvingism in its rise, progress and Current State, by Robert Baxter, 1836.

That was all just after Darby met Irving. Darby didnt fully format his view till about 1842, according to Harold H Rowdon in The origins of the Brethren. .
 
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Since the Northern tribes were taken into captivity hundreds of years before the time of Christ, and their DNA was spread throughout Asia, and Europe, I would have to say "yes".


Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

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The twelve tribes? Christian's who were spread abroad. There are no lost tribes. Not 10 not 12.
 
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Ezra 6:17 says that an offering was made for all Israel, not by all Israel. the Hebrew word used was 'al, which does not even imply that all of Israel was present.

There is not even one scripture that even suggests that Ephraim EVER returned to the land. For, although a few individuals from Ephraim did indeed find their ways back. There has never been a return of Ephraim that compares even to the paltry few of Judah that returned.

The promise of Ezekiel 36:1-10 was that the "mountains of Israel," along with "the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken," (verse 4) would again be inhabited by "all the house of Israel, all of it." The Hebrew word kol, which means "all" was here doubled, stressing that the meaning was absolutely all of "the house of Israel.

There is no rational way to even pretend that this promise has been met.

The fact that other scriptures say that only a remnant will return does not contradict this promise, because Ezekiel 20;33-38 very explicitly says that, as hey return, God will purge out the rebels from their midst, and both Isaiah 4:3-4 and Zechariah 12:10-14 clearly say that those who repent will be all that had survived to that time.

Finally, is is a simple falsehood to even pretend that the promises of Ephraim and Judah bring joined together and of both of them returning to the land have been met. No scripture, and no historical record, even suggests that this has ever happened. and this included every scripture you have posted.

Acts 26:7, in its context, actually says the very opposite to what you are claiming, for we read, "And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made by God to our fathers. To this promise our twelve tribes, earnestly serving God night and day, hope to attain." (Acts 26:6-7) So Paul was saying that "our twelve tribes" were STILL hoping "to attain" "the promise."

Likewise James 1:1 also says the very opposite of what you are claiming, For it is addressed "to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad," not to the twelve tribes which are in the land.

You are elevating your doctrine above the explicit statements of scripture.
Not all of Judah and Benjamin returned. The command of Cyrus was "Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the LORD God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem. And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem. Then rose up the chief of the fathers of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests, and the Levites, with all them whose spirit God had raised, to go up to build the house of the LORD which is in Jerusalem." Ezra 1 3-6
 
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There were those descended from the tribes besides Judah, Benjamin, and Levi among those from the kingdom of Judah, that would be present. People from the other tribes had come to the kingdom of Judah early on to stay with these people rather than those in the kingdom of Israel who were already all apostatizing.
 
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The twelve tribes? Christian's who were spread abroad. There are no lost tribes. Not 10 not 12.
And the word christian , just means. a follower and there. were no christians at. that period of time !!

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There are still others who are descendants of people of the.kingdom of Israel who God knows, and would be brought back, too, while most are those descendants of people of the kingdom of Judah.

I think the book of James was written after the council in Jerusalem, in Acts 15.
 
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I think the book of James was written after the council in Jerusalem, in Acts 15.

It was written around the time of Acts 8

Acts 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.

During that time, there was never someone called Paul who is the apostle to the gentiles. It was still against the law for them to associate with them (Acts 10:28).

James will have no idea there was even such a person who will eventually state Romans 4:5, that is how you should understand what James was saying in James 2:24

That is how you also know that James was NOT writing to "gentile Christians" in James 1:1, there were none then as the term only existed at the time of Acts 11:26
 
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Alright. Thanks for that perspective. Who then is James in Acts 15, and later in Acts (Acts 21)? It would be James, the brother of Jesus. And he led the church in Jerusalem. And you do not think he could have written the Epistle of James, right?
 
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Alright. Thanks for that perspective. Who then is James in Acts 15, and later in Acts (Acts 21)? It would be James, the brother of Jesus. And he led the church in Jerusalem. And you do not think he could have written the Epistle of James, right?

They are all the same James.

But it does not detract from the point that James was written before even Paul was saved, so there was no gospel of the uncircumcision when James was written.
 
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They are all the same James.

But it does not detract from the point that James was written before even Paul was saved, so there was no gospel of the uncircumcision when James was written.

They are the same? James the brother of John and son of Zebedee is the same as James the brother of Jesus? James in Acts 12:2 is the same as James in Acts 15:13?
 
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They are the same? James the brother of John and son of Zebedee is the same as James the brother of Jesus? James in Acts 12:2 is the same as James in Acts 15:13?

I am saying your "James in Acts 15, and later in Acts (Acts 21)? It would be James, the brother of Jesus. And he led the church in Jerusalem." are all the same James

Now, you suddenly added Acts 12:2 into your post, that James is not the same.
 
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