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Might the Laws of God actually change on the New Earth?

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So, just led to Matthew today, and I'm reading and something stood out in the sermon of the Mount

Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
right so this part we all know, to give context
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Heaven and Earth do pass away, and a New Earth comes.. meaning the laws can pass away then, and be removed, or replaced.
 

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So, just led to Matthew today, and I'm reading and something stood out in the sermon of the Mount

Matthew 5

right so this part we all know, to give context

Heaven and Earth do pass away, and a New Earth comes.. meaning the laws can pass away then, and be removed, or replaced.
As far as heaven is concerned, the bible makes clear that there will be no sin (disobedience of God) there, so no law will be required.
 
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So, just led to Matthew today, and I'm reading and something stood out in the sermon of the Mount

Matthew 5

right so this part we all know, to give context

Heaven and Earth do pass away, and a New Earth comes.. meaning the laws can pass away then, and be removed, or replaced.
Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions
(Galatians 3:19)
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. (Isaiah 65:17)

Due to the above, there may not be need of any laws. In any case, we won't remember asking this question at that time anyway.
 
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So, just led to Matthew today, and I'm reading and something stood out in the sermon of the Mount

Matthew 5

right so this part we all know, to give context

Heaven and Earth do pass away, and a New Earth comes.. meaning the laws can pass away then, and be removed, or replaced.
The law shows us our sins Rom 3:20 Rom 7:7 and man on this earth can not edit/change/do away with God's own will Psa 40:8 Heb 8:10 and Testimony written by God Himself, Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13 not a jot or tittle Mat 5:17-19. When Jesus comes and all sin and sinners will be destroyed the saints or saved will not be breaking God's laws and sinning.

We need to prepare for this now

Rev 14:12 Here is the [a]patience of the saints; here[b] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Before He comes

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Our fates will be sealed and decisions made once He returns

Rev 22:11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him [a]be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

We need to turn and forsake our sins Today, while there is still time Pro 28:13 John 14:15-18 Heb 3:7-19

Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven [a]is at hand.”
 
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Scripture confirms that the law of God is eternal. See Isaiah 66:23, Psalms 19:7-14, and Psalms 119:160 for statements of fact.

The Bible shows us that God has an eternal standard for all of His creation. It is found in the war in heaven where Lucifer and a third of the angels fell because of sin, but two thirds did not. It is found in Eden where Adam and Eve lived in harmony with God before falling into sin. It is found in thousands of years of God's efforts to save man, even going so far as to send His only Son to die on the cross. It is found in the everlasting gospel. It is found in the patience of the saints who keep the commandments of God. It is found in Isaiah's description of the new heaven and new earth.

If you think about it, if God was going to change His standard, he could have done so at the very beginning, when there was war in heaven. He could have done so when Adam and Eve sinned. He could have done so any time in the thousands of years of sinful man, but He did not, He instead wrote His law in stone with His own hand.

God goes to great lengths in the Bible to call man to obedience unto righteousness. If God were to change His standard, the goal post moves forward or backward, and the whole of salvation and the cross are rendered moot.

The point of salvation is reconciliation with God, according to His standard. Sin is and always will be transgression of the eternal law of God. It has to be an unchanging standard, otherwise it's not a standard at all.
 
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Scripture confirms that the law of God is eternal. See Isaiah 66:23, Psalms 19:7-14, and Psalms 119:160 for statements of fact.

The Bible shows us that God has an eternal standard for all of His creation. It is found in the war in heaven where Lucifer and a third of the angels fell because of sin, but two thirds did not. It is found in Eden where Adam and Eve lived in harmony with God before falling into sin. It is found in thousands of years of God's efforts to save man, even going so far as to send His only Son to die on the cross. It is found in the everlasting gospel. It is found in the patience of the saints who keep the commandments of God. It is found in Isaiah's description of the new heaven and new earth.

If you think about it, if God was going to change His standard, he could have done so at the very beginning, when there was war in heaven. He could have done so when Adam and Eve sinned. He could have done so any time in the thousands of years of sinful man, but He did not, He instead wrote His law in stone with His own hand.

God goes to great lengths in the Bible to call man to obedience unto righteousness. If God were to change His standard, the goal post moves forward or backward, and the whole of salvation and the cross are rendered moot.

The point of salvation is reconciliation with God, according to His standard. Sin is and always will be transgression of the eternal law of God. It has to be an unchanging standard, otherwise it's not a standard at all.

I don't know but the text gives a condition for change, that heaven and earth pass away, which they do.

Some laws are already not considered applicable to the gentiles, or the counsel of Jerusalem would have included a lot more laws that had to be spread to gentiles aside from avoid fornication, and don't eat meat that was strangled or eat blood.

BTW, I'm going to strongly disagree with the war in heaven being a past event.
as when discussing Revelation 12, Satan knows he has a short time, and the woman is protected from Satan for 1260 days (3.5 years) that's eschatology, not history.
I don't care what popes and priests and mislead Greek Philosophers (who converted and tried to wed their Platonic world view to the bible and come up with concepts like Allegorizing scripture to make it all fit as past events) said. The bible gives it in a period of 42 months, not all of human history.
 
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Scripture confirms that the law of God is eternal. See Isaiah 66:23, Psalms 19:7-14, and Psalms 119:160 for statements of fact.

The Bible shows us that God has an eternal standard for all of His creation. It is found in the war in heaven where Lucifer and a third of the angels fell because of sin, but two thirds did not. It is found in Eden where Adam and Eve lived in harmony with God before falling into sin. It is found in thousands of years of God's efforts to save man, even going so far as to send His only Son to die on the cross. It is found in the everlasting gospel. It is found in the patience of the saints who keep the commandments of God. It is found in Isaiah's description of the new heaven and new earth.

If you think about it, if God was going to change His standard, he could have done so at the very beginning, when there was war in heaven. He could have done so when Adam and Eve sinned. He could have done so any time in the thousands of years of sinful man, but He did not, He instead wrote His law in stone with His own hand.

God goes to great lengths in the Bible to call man to obedience unto righteousness. If God were to change His standard, the goal post moves forward or backward, and the whole of salvation and the cross are rendered moot.

The point of salvation is reconciliation with God, according to His standard. Sin is and always will be transgression of the eternal law of God. It has to be an unchanging standard, otherwise it's not a standard at all.
All this talk of war reminds me of when there will not be war anymore.

Besides, all the goal posts are melted down in the lake of fire, the whole planet even.
 
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So, just led to Matthew today, and I'm reading and something stood out in the sermon of the Mount

Matthew 5

right so this part we all know, to give context

Heaven and Earth do pass away, and a New Earth comes.. meaning the laws can pass away then, and be removed, or replaced.
A more baseline difficulty to the above proposition is this: There is The Creator and then there is the creation.

The creation, by nature, will always be far far less than The Creator.

There would not even be a creation or any creation without The Creator being MERCIFUL to that which is less than Himself.

How then is this resolved? In 1 Cor. 15:28 Paul provides the ultimate one liner for the ultimate end game.

Nevertheless we also know that God's Mercy endures forever. An oft repeated theme. Which does indicate that "creation" may be and may have been in endless past, a part of God's Perpetual Plans of action. Creation itself seems to be somewhat of an endless expresssion as a picture/type of God and His creation, creation showing just a portion of His Own Great Self. Not that creation can be that. But it's an interesting picture. Like God, but throttled down so we can kind of perceive it and Him in the process.
 
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A more baseline difficulty to the above proposition is this: There is The Creator and then there is the creation.

The creation, by nature, will always be far far less than The Creator.

There would not even be a creation or any creation without The Creator being MERCIFUL to that which is less than Himself.

How then is this resolved? In 1 Cor. 15:28 Paul provides the ultimate one liner for the ultimate end game.

Nevertheless we also know that God's Mercy endures forever. An oft repeated theme. Which does indicate that "creation" may be and may have been in endless past, a part of God's Perpetual Plans of action. Creation itself seems to be somewhat of an endless expresssion as a picture/type of God and His creation, creation showing just a portion of His Own Great Self. Not that creation can be that. But it's an interesting picture. Like God, but throttled down so we can kind of perceive it and Him in the process.
I'm not sure how this ties in?

I guess where I'm interested in, is that Jesus could have simply said not one jot nor one tittle will ever pass away from the law. He could have simply stated that the law was forever. But He didn't, rather He gave a condition for the expiration of the law.

there is a similar "sunset clause" for the Nation of Israel in Jeremiah 31
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.
When would those ordinances depart before the Lord? When heaven and earth pass away and a new creation is made. Israel would no longer be a distinct nation on the New Earth. All would be in Christ, Gentile and Jew alike.

The New Earth creates new paradigms. The current nations, and historical nations.. no meaning anymore, and it may involve new laws. Not just laws of morality mind you but God has other laws that are not moral laws, laws of physics and so on.
 
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Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions
(Galatians 3:19)
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. (Isaiah 65:17)

Due to the above, there may not be need of any laws. In any case, we won't remember asking this question at that time anyway.
And there be 12 Apostles judging the 12 tribes of Israel AS WRITTEN in. Matt. 19:28 and many Gentiles occupy the Milinnian

kingdom and Christ will be the HIGH PRIEST and King David will sit on. his throne !!

And SATAN. will will thrown into the LAKE OF FIRE AND NO MORE SICKNESS and too many things happening. .or to LIST !!

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So, just led to Matthew today, and I'm reading and something stood out in the sermon of the Mount

Matthew 5

right so this part we all know, to give context

Heaven and Earth do pass away, and a New Earth comes.. meaning the laws can pass away then, and be removed, or replaced.
Jesus was saying that it was never going to happen. The only way that we should cease to follow God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy would be if He were to cease to be holy, and the same is true for God's other character traits, which are all eternal. Jesus saying that he would never forsake us even until the end of the age does not imply that he is going for forsake at the end of the age.
 
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I'm not sure how this ties in?

I guess where I'm interested in, is that Jesus could have simply said not one jot nor one tittle will ever pass away from the law. He could have simply stated that the law was forever. But He didn't, rather He gave a condition for the expiration of the law.

there is a similar "sunset clause" for the Nation of Israel in Jeremiah 31

When would those ordinances depart before the Lord? When heaven and earth pass away and a new creation is made. Israel would no longer be a distinct nation on the New Earth. All would be in Christ, Gentile and Jew alike.

The New Earth creates new paradigms. The current nations, and historical nations.. no meaning anymore, and it may involve new laws. Not just laws of morality mind you but God has other laws that are not moral laws, laws of physics and so on.
I believe God's Words against evil and lawlessness stand, forever.

What I was getting at previously was this. There is The Creator and the creation. These are not the same. The latter are always categorically going to be "less than God Himself, Perfect." I wouldn't even attempt to know what that really means as it would always be only a lesser form of description. He really is not in need of anyone's lesser descriptions is He?

Therefore on the scale of anything less than God we can classify anything else as simply "less than" His Own Perfection, which only God Himself knows btw.

Evil and sin are in the less than perfect class, along with everything else. We can all it worse, but then again, compared to God so is everything else.

What we engage in the strictly material world is probably not the only game in town either. I'm pretty sure there are multiple aspects to creation that we are clueless about. But even these are still creations.

No one really knows what God may be up to in this current cycle. But it's fun to guess. Even if I digress.
 
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so it seems the consensus is that the law remains the law even on the New Earth, does that include things like Kosher dietary laws and not wearing mixed fabrics? Does that include laws regarding slaves?

and why did Jesus give possible expiration clauses? Why is it "till all is fulfilled" rather than just saying never?
 
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