Two Days

keras · Aug 17, 2025

1 Thessalonians 4:16 When the Command is given, when the Archangels voice is heard, when God’s Trumpet sounds, then the Lord Himself will descend from heaven..
This prophesies the glorious Return of Jesus to gather His faithful Christian peoples to where He is; in Jerusalem. Matthew 24:30-31, 1 Thessalonians 4:17

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 About dates and times, my friends, there is no need to write to you. For you know perfectly well that the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. While other people are saying: Now we have peace and safety, then; sudden destruction will come upon them.... and there will be no escape.

Are these prophesies talking about the same event?
The Book of Revelation is where we can find a correct sequence of the end times events.

In Revelation 6:12-17, the terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, by fire, storms, earthquakes and tsunamis is described, plus over 100 other prophesies also describe this Day of vengeance, His fury and anger against the nations. The Lord is not seen on this Day. Psalms 11:4-6, Habakkuk 3:4 BEFORE the Return!

The Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath, as the Son of Man, is the sudden, shocking and unexpected Day, a world changer, which will set the stage for the establishment of a One World Govt. Daniel 7:23-27, Revelation 13:1-8

The faithful Christian peoples, will pass safely through this literal Day of worldwide disaster. We are told what to do: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13

The Day of the Lord’s glorious Return; As the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Much has to happen before we get to Revelation 19:11-13, where Jesus is described as coming in garments already splashed in blood. Got from His previous Day of vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 63:1-6 and Revelation 14:17-20

It will NOT be unexpected; heralded by God and the angels and NOT a surprise, as He will Return exactly 1260 days, [42 months] after Satan desecrates the Temple. Daniel 9:27b, Revelation 13:5
Jesus destroys the attacking armies at Armageddon by the Sword of His Word and chains up Satan. He just separates the nations at this time. Matthew 25:31-33

Jesus then commences His thousand year earthly reign, on David’s Throne, in the new Temple in Jerusalem. As Isaiah 65:18-25, Zechariah 14:16-21 describe.

Conclusion: 1 Thess 4:16 and 1 Thess 5:1-3 are about 2 separate Days, several years apart. Paul; like the other Prophets, doesn’t put them into their correct sequence.

The final Judgment happens after the Millennium. Matthew 25:46, Revelation 20:11-15 Then comes Eternity

keras · Wednesday at 10:53 PM

The Future of Jewish Israel:
As we come closer to a showdown between Iran and the Western world, over Iran’s overt and now successful nuclear missile program, we Bible believing Christians should look closely at what we are told by the Bible Prophets.
God has given us much information about what will happen when Iran and their allies try to attack Israel and America, as they have plainly said they intend to do.

The best description of what the Lord will do at the moment of attack is:

Psalms 7:12-16 The enemy sharpens his sword again, strings his bow and makes it ready. It is against himself that he has prepared his deadly shafts and tipped his arrows with fire, he is in concert with iniquity, he has conceived mischief and given birth to lies.
The enemy has dug a pit and made it deep, but he himself will fall into the pit he has made. His nefarious plans will recoil upon himself and the violence he planned for others, will fall upon his own head. Joel 3:4

This scenario is confirmed by Jeremiah 49:35-37 and Ezekiel 32:24-25

However, the fulfilment of these Prophesies will also result in disaster for all the peoples in the Middle East, including Judah, now represented by the Jewish State of Israel, living in a small part of the holy Land.

Ezekiel 30:1-3 ….. the peoples of Egypt, Cush, Put and Libya, and the Arabs, will fall by the Sword of the Lord on His Day of Reckoning.

Zephaniah 1:4 I shall stretch My hand over Judah, over all who live in Jerusalem, I shall wipe out their false worship, ….erasing all memory of them.

Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord is near and is fast approaching. …..a day of dire distress upon the people, because of their sins against the Lord……

Nothing will save them from the fire of His retribution and vengeance, the whole Land will be affected, for He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the Land.

Amos 2:4-5 For crime after crime of Judah, I shall grant them no reprieve, because they have spurned the Word of the Lord and have not observed His decrees…….
Therefore I will send fire upon Judah and Jerusalem will be destroyed.

Jesus made it clear too:
Matthew 8:12 Those who are born into the Kingdom will be thrown out…..
Matthew 21:43 I tell you: the Kingdom will be taken from you Jews ……
Revelation 2:9….those who claim to be Jews, but are not as they are really a synagogue of Satan.

Isaiah 29:1-4 tells us how a faithful remnant of Christian Jews, will survive the disaster which the Lord will send that will clear and cleanse the entire Middle East. Deuteronomy 32:43, Romans 9:27

Bible Prophecy is sure: this will all happen as Written. We are the generation who will see it all and for a Bible believer to not be aware of it: is very unfortunate and may result in some difficulty and a loss for them.

keras · Friday at 8:23 PM

The Lords Day of Vengeance is not the Great Day of the Sovereign Lord:

2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 ... when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in blazing fire. Then he will mete out punishment to those who refuse to acknowledge God and who will not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, cut off from the presence of God. When, on that great Day He comes to reveal His glory amongst His own and His majesty to all believers.

Do not confuse this passage with the Return of Jesus in His glory. He does NOT come in fire then. This time, at the Sixth Seal event, He reveals Himself only to those who believe in Him and keep His Laws. Isaiah 24:23, Zechariah 9:14-17, 2

1/ The Day of Vengeance and the wrath of God;

Psalms 11:4-6 The Lord is in heaven,….. He will rain fiery coals onto the wicked….

Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the Lord is coming in fire, His sword will test mankind.

Micah 5:15 In anger and fury, I shall wreak vengeance on the nations who disobey Me.

Habakkuk 3:12 Furiously; You trample down the nations.

Malachi 4:1 The Day comes; burning like a furnace, evildoers will be as stubble.

Hebrews 10:27...a terrifying judgement of fire that will consume God’s enemies.

Isaiah 30:26 On the day that the Lord saves His people,[born again Christians] the sun will shine with seven times its usual strength and the moon will be as bright as the sun.
Revelation 14:17-20 ..the angel with authority over fire....the winepress of God’s wrath…

So, we see that the first event is the Lord sending fire by the means of an earth directed explosion of the suns surface, literally causing all the graphic effects prophesied.

2/ The Great Day of the Sovereign Lord; the Return of the Lord Jesus; Rev 16:14b

Matthew 24:29-31 As soon as this time of distress has passed [the Tribulation] the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give light, the stars will fall and all the heavenly bodies will be shaken. Then ALL the peoples will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. With a trumpet blast He will send His angels to gather His chosen from the farthest corners of the world. These will be all the people who have kept faithful to the Lord during the Tribulation as all the Christians will be living in the Land soon after the Day of vengeance. Rev 12:6-17
Revelation 19:11-21....Jesus Returns and the destroys Satan’s armies, by the Sword of His Word and Satan is bound until the end of the 1000 years. Zechariah 14:3-5

There will be four more judgement/punishments by the Lord, the first to happen soon, The Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, a worldwide judgement of fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis, a world changer that will particularly affect the Middle East. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5 This will enable His people, every faithful Christian person, Jew or Gentile, to settle in all of the Holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26
Then, later comes the Gog/Magog attack and their destruction. Ezekiel 38 & 39

At the Return of Jesus, He destroys the armies of the Anti Christ. Revelation 19:17-21 Then, at the end of the Millennium, there is another attack by a huge army, then comes the Great White Throne judgement of all people alive and dead.

Note: that in Rev 19:13 Jesus Returns in a garment dyed in blood. In Isaiah 63:3 He tramples the nations....and their blood spattered all his clothing. From this and the sequence in 2 Thessalonians, we can say that the Day of the Lord’s wrath- the Sixth Seal, Revelation 6:12-17 will be the next prophesied event of the end times.
Reference REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged

Dan Perez · 2025-08-23T14:28:55-0500

keras said:
The Future of Jewish Israel:
As we come closer to a showdown between Iran and the Western world, over Iran’s overt and now successful nuclear missile program, we Bible believing Christians should look closely at what we are told by the Bible Prophets.
God has given us much information about what will happen when Iran and their allies try to attack Israel and America, as they have plainly said they intend to do.

The best description of what the Lord will do at the moment of attack is:

Psalms 7:12-16 The enemy sharpens his sword again, strings his bow and makes it ready. It is against himself that he has prepared his deadly shafts and tipped his arrows with fire, he is in concert with iniquity, he has conceived mischief and given birth to lies.
The enemy has dug a pit and made it deep, but he himself will fall into the pit he has made. His nefarious plans will recoil upon himself and the violence he planned for others, will fall upon his own head. Joel 3:4

This scenario is confirmed by Jeremiah 49:35-37 and Ezekiel 32:24-25

However, the fulfilment of these Prophesies will also result in disaster for all the peoples in the Middle East, including Judah, now represented by the Jewish State of Israel, living in a small part of the holy Land.

Ezekiel 30:1-3 ….. the peoples of Egypt, Cush, Put and Libya, and the Arabs, will fall by the Sword of the Lord on His Day of Reckoning.

Zephaniah 1:4 I shall stretch My hand over Judah, over all who live in Jerusalem, I shall wipe out their false worship, ….erasing all memory of them.

Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord is near and is fast approaching. …..a day of dire distress upon the people, because of their sins against the Lord……

Nothing will save them from the fire of His retribution and vengeance, the whole Land will be affected, for He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the Land.

Amos 2:4-5 For crime after crime of Judah, I shall grant them no reprieve, because they have spurned the Word of the Lord and have not observed His decrees…….
Therefore I will send fire upon Judah and Jerusalem will be destroyed.

Jesus made it clear too:
Matthew 8:12 Those who are born into the Kingdom will be thrown out…..
Matthew 21:43 I tell you: the Kingdom will be taken from you Jews ……
Revelation 2:9….those who claim to be Jews, but are not as they are really a synagogue of Satan.

Isaiah 29:1-4 tells us how a faithful remnant of Christian Jews, will survive the disaster which the Lord will send that will clear and cleanse the entire Middle East. Deuteronomy 32:43, Romans 9:27

Bible Prophecy is sure: this will all happen as Written. We are the generation who will see it all and for a Bible believer to not be aware of it: is very unfortunate and may result in some difficulty and a loss for them.

And just looking at your use of your verses >

#. 1 And you say in Isa 29:1 , Christian Jew , but the Greek word CHRISTIAN // CHRISTIANOS is FIRST USED in Acts 11:16

#2 And Matt 24:3 is speaking about the END of WORLD.

#. 3 It just seem to me , that are not speaking about the Body of Christ , and seem to quote only. verses

that concern Israel. , what say you ?? Am I wrong. ??

And. you say you know a lot of what prophesy of DANIEL 2:31 - 45 and its meaning. and it for today. , or when ?/

dan p

keras · 2025-08-23T15:29:59-0500

Dan Perez said:
1 And you say in Isa 29:1 , Christian Jew , but the Greek word CHRISTIAN // CHRISTIANOS is FIRST USED in Acts 11:16

Jesus was the Spirit who guided the ancient Israelites. 1 Corinthians 10:4

Dan Perez said:
2 And Matt 24:3 is speaking about the END of WORLD.

Actually; the end of the age..... The 2000 year Christian age, now almost over.

Dan Perez said:
3 It just seem to me , that are not speaking about the Body of Christ , and seem to quote only. verses

that concern Israel. , what say you ?? Am I wrong. ??

The Church is the true Israel. The Jews themselves do not claim to be all of Israel.
God will not redeem and forgive Judah for their crimes. Amos 2:4-5, Luke 19:27, +

Dan Perez · 2025-08-23T17:58:42-0500

keras said:
Jesus was the Spirit who guided the ancient Israelites. 1 Corinthians 10:4

Actually; the end of the age..... The 2000 year Christian age, now almost over.

The Church is the true Israel. The Jews themselves do not claim to be all of Israel.
God will not redeem and forgive Judah for their crimes. Amos 2:4-5, Luke 19:27, +

And. it says in the Greek WORLD // AION. is. a noun in the Genitive Case ,in the Singular and just check Strongs G165

and. see !! By the way EKKLESIA. does. not mean church , it mens EKK. , meaning A. means OUT and LESIA means

A CALLING and that. means the correct meaning nis ASSEMBLY !!

And since you mentioned 1. Cor 10:2 that says. And all were BAPTIZED unto Moses in the CLOUD and in the SEA ??

#. How were 2 million Jews BAPTIZED unto MOSES. ??

#2 How. were the BAPTIZED. not the CLOUDN. ?

# 3 How were they BAPTIZED in the SEA ?

dan p

Dan Perez · 2025-08-23T18:21:58-0500

keras said:
1 Thessalonians 4:16 When the Command is given, when the Archangels voice is heard, when God’s Trumpet sounds, then the Lord Himself will descend from heaven..
This prophesies the glorious Return of Jesus to gather His faithful Christian peoples to where He is; in Jerusalem. Matthew 24:30-31, 1 Thessalonians 4:17

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 About dates and times, my friends, there is no need to write to you. For you know perfectly well that the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. While other people are saying: Now we have peace and safety, then; sudden destruction will come upon them.... and there will be no escape.

Are these prophesies talking about the same event?
The Book of Revelation is where we can find a correct sequence of the end times events.

In Revelation 6:12-17, the terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, by fire, storms, earthquakes and tsunamis is described, plus over 100 other prophesies also describe this Day of vengeance, His fury and anger against the nations. The Lord is not seen on this Day. Psalms 11:4-6, Habakkuk 3:4 BEFORE the Return!

The Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath, as the Son of Man, is the sudden, shocking and unexpected Day, a world changer, which will set the stage for the establishment of a One World Govt. Daniel 7:23-27, Revelation 13:1-8

The faithful Christian peoples, will pass safely through this literal Day of worldwide disaster. We are told what to do: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13

The Day of the Lord’s glorious Return; As the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Much has to happen before we get to Revelation 19:11-13, where Jesus is described as coming in garments already splashed in blood. Got from His previous Day of vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 63:1-6 and Revelation 14:17-20

It will NOT be unexpected; heralded by God and the angels and NOT a surprise, as He will Return exactly 1260 days, [42 months] after Satan desecrates the Temple. Daniel 9:27b, Revelation 13:5
Jesus destroys the attacking armies at Armageddon by the Sword of His Word and chains up Satan. He just separates the nations at this time. Matthew 25:31-33

Jesus then commences His thousand year earthly reign, on David’s Throne, in the new Temple in Jerusalem. As Isaiah 65:18-25, Zechariah 14:16-21 describe.

Conclusion: 1 Thess 4:16 and 1 Thess 5:1-3 are about 2 separate Days, several years apart. Paul; like the other Prophets, doesn’t put them into their correct sequence.

The final Judgment happens after the Millennium. Matthew 25:46, Revelation 20:11-15 Then comes Eternity

And in. 1. THESS 4: 13 THRU 17 , I SEE 4 RESURRECTIONS , how many do you see , help me OUT. ??

dan p

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