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All humans are 50th cousins?

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You may have heard it, but it's not a common view today.

Modern scientific views find little merit in any polygenic model due to an increased understanding of speciation in a human context, with the monogenic "Out of Africa" hypothesis and its variants being the most widely accepted models for human origins.[1]

Ideologies centering on multiple locations seem to have an agenda (and are not well-supported by the evidence).

Polygenism has historically been heavily used in service of white supremacist ideas and practices, denying a common origin between European and non-European peoples.
Was not aware of that, thanks for sharing.
What a ludicrous conclusion.
Yeah, was joking again. Feel free to deadpan.
 
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I think you're the last person to hear this news!
Oh no! I was aware, I was just curious about other people’s thoughts! It’s interesting how everyone is connected, you know? :)
 
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Charles Darwin married his first cousin.
Correct.

Queen Victoria married her first cousin, Prince Albert.

Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip were 3rd cousins and the great great grandchildren of Queen Victoria.
 
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I heard there were a number of starting locations. Ideologies centring on one location seem to have an agenda.

My thoughts on humans being 50th cousins is the scientist is probably trying to justify incest.
Before the civil war, first cousin marriage was quite common. It’s still legal in some states and common throughout some countries, though not recommended because of genetic similarities.
 
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Correct.

Queen Victoria married her first cousin, Prince Albert.

Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip were 3rd cousins and the great great grandchildren of Queen Victoria.

Just FYI -- from AI Overview:

Three of Charles Darwin's ten children died young: Annie, Mary, and Charles Waring. Annie died of tuberculosis at age 10. Mary died as an infant, living only 23 days. Charles Waring died at 18 months, likely from scarlet fever. Darwin was deeply affected by these losses and suspected that his marriage to his first cousin, Emma, might have contributed to the health issues in his family.
 
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Just FYI -- from AI Overview:

Three of Charles Darwin's ten children died young: Annie, Mary, and Charles Waring. Annie died of tuberculosis at age 10. Mary died as an infant, living only 23 days. Charles Waring died at 18 months, likely from scarlet fever. Darwin was deeply affected by these losses and suspected that his marriage to his first cousin, Emma, might have contributed to the health issues in his family.
How sad!
 
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Before the civil war, first cousin marriage was quite common. It’s still legal in some states and common throughout some countries, though not recommended because of genetic similarities.
I'm not sure why you're against same sex marriage but not incest, both are part of the do not do teachings in the old testament. That being, the main source of objection for both.
 
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I'm not sure why you're against same sex marriage but not incest, both are part of the do not do teachings in the old testament. That being, the main source of objection for both.
Off topic

I never said I’m for incest? What?
 
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And the interesting thing is that some of your really bad dudes are probably my really bad dudes too.
Yeah. Remember great great x 15 uncle Thomas the Elder? A real black sheep...
 
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Yeah. Remember great great x 15 uncle Thomas the Elder? A real black sheep...
My 15x (or so) removed first Cousin Martin caused a bit of a stir. (If you can believe that.)
 
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My 15x (or so) removed first Cousin Martin caused a bit of a stir. (If you can believe that.)
I've got a family bible upstairs which dates back to the late 18th century. But I always had doubts whether it belonged to the family as someone had listed births and deaths for three or four generations from the late 19th century, but the surnames were 'Jones'. That's a very common Welsh surname, but which is not mine. The rest of the family is long gone, so there was no-one to ask.

Then quite a few years ago I Googled my father's name, just out of curiosity. And one hit noted his father's name as Edward - which was my grandfather. So I dug a little deeper and came across a web page that someone had started as a family tree record and listed there was Edward's wife's maiden name. Hang on, I thought...I dug out the bible and there she was. She'd been the girl listing all the births and deaths. It was my paternal grandmother.

So pleased that it was our family bible after all. She's listed two previous generations, so I can go back that far. I keep meaning to add the rest of the family line up to the present day at which point I'll pass the bible on to either my son or daughter. Then the grandkids will at least have one line back to one great great great great grandparent.

The guy who had looked into the family tree turned out to be a second cousin. I contacted him and it seems he remembered me from the late 60's as his grandfather had taken him along to our house to visit my grandfather. He recalled a 'cool looking guy with long hair'. I was 17 and he was about 10.
 
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Off topic

I never said I’m for incest? What?
It's just a drastic change in attitude compared to one issue vs another. (i.e. not acting traumatized that people think this is okay type thing)

I agree it's off topic, so I'll end my explanation here.
 
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It's just a drastic change in attitude compared to one issue vs another. (i.e. not acting traumatized that people think this is okay type thing)

I agree it's off topic, so I'll end my explanation here.
Ok.
 
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I've got a family bible upstairs which dates back to the late 18th century. But I always had doubts whether it belonged to the family as someone had listed births and deaths for three or four generations from the late 19th century, but the surnames were 'Jones'. That's a very common Welsh surname, but which is not mine. The rest of the family is long gone, so there was no-one to ask.

Then quite a few years ago I Googled my father's name, just out of curiosity. And one hit noted his father's name as Edward - which was my grandfather. So I dug a little deeper and came across a web page that someone had started as a family tree record and listed there was Edward's wife's maiden name. Hang on, I thought...I dug out the bible and there she was. She'd been the girl listing all the births and deaths. It was my paternal grandmother.

So pleased that it was our family bible after all. She's listed two previous generations, so I can go back that far. I keep meaning to add the rest of the family line up to the present day at which point I'll pass the bible on to either my son or daughter. Then the grandkids will at least have one line back to one great great great great grandparent.

The guy who had looked into the family tree turned out to be a second cousin. I contacted him and it seems he remembered me from the late 60's as his grandfather had taken him along to our house to visit my grandfather. He recalled a 'cool looking guy with long hair'. I was 17 and he was about 10.
On ancestry.com I have a family tree going back to the 1500s.

I have zero idea if it’s accurate or not. I honestly doubt it, but it’s interesting.
 
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On ancestry.com I have a family tree going back to the 1500s.

I have zero idea if it’s accurate or not. I honestly doubt it, but it’s interesting.
I've been thinking about taking one of those dna tests to see where your heritage originates. Parts of England are a bit of a mish mash with Romans, Vikings, Saxons etc being regular visitors. But parts of Wales might have escaped the interbreeding.
 
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I always thought how great it would be to go back and visit each of my ancestors. But you are guaranteed to find some really bad dudes somewhere on that direct ancestral line.
I may be distant related to a real bad dude, my only clue being hearing the matriarchs drops their voices to a whisper and utter a single name. That name shared an ancestor's surname and his family hailed from the right area. We're not descendants and the split in the family tree would predate him, but an offspring found his photo and he bears an uncanny resemblance to a first cousin.

Ashamed of it? Proud of it? Neither. It is what it is. Just as it seems one ancestor moved back during the colonial era to escape a lawsuit.
 
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I've been thinking about taking one of those dna tests to see where your heritage originates. Parts of England are a bit of a mish mash with Romans, Vikings, Saxons etc being regular visitors. But parts of Wales might have escaped the interbreeding.
Be aware that at least once a journalist had identical twins submit their DNA to some of these services, and each sibling had different results.
 
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On ancestry.com I have a family tree going back to the 1500s.

I have zero idea if it’s accurate or not. I honestly doubt it, but it’s interesting.
Have a continuous record for at least one ancestral line going back to the 17rh Century in the Americas. Someone has extended that back to 11th Century England, but a key link is sketchy, so I go "Whatever."

Wouldn't even know that except that when the children were in school they all had the "What is your culture?" essay which I suppose is to help students connect to the past but has the error of treating culture as if it's genetic. Have even been asked by American Indians if I'm a particular tribe of American Indian. Given the amount of time my known ancestors have been in the Americas, it's possible, but possible is about all.
 
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