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The Progressive Approach to Crime: Probation officer’s spot check finds unconscious woman in sex offender’s St. Paul apartment

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What about protecting the citizenry?
Precisely how is this progressive?
He was sentenced in 2009 to 12 years in jail and released in 2023 which is longer than the 12 years. Since then he has been in an intensive release program and this was found by a random check.

So what is progressive? He is back in jail and probably will be for a long time. His bond is high, and the judge denied a conditional release.
 
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Precisely how is this progressive?
He was sentenced in 2009 to 12 years in jail and released in 2023 which is longer than the 12 years. Since then he has been in an intensive release program and this was found by a random check.

So what is progressive? He is back in jail and probably will be for a long time.
He was convicted of murder in 1987, his next major crime was kidnapping a 17 year old girl and she was lucky to escape else she would be dead.
He never should have seen the light of day after that. He also he was convicted of assault TWICE while in prison. Twice again the opportunity to keep him in for life was missed. Then he was released. The number one goal should be to protect society.
 
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He was convicted of murder in 1987, his next major crime was kidnapping a 17 year old girl and she was lucky to escape else she would be dead.
He never should have seen the light of day after that. Next he was convicted of assault TWICE while in prison. Twice again the opportunity to keep him in for life was missed. Then he was released. The number one goal should be to protect society.
Prove this was a progressive thing to do. If you can't, you should edit the title.
I agree he should never have been released but there are laws that judges have to follow. The murder conviction was in Illinois.

The judge denied a conditional release and set a high bond that the defendant couldn't possibly pay.
 
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Prove this was a progressive thing to do. If you can't, you should edit the title.
I agree he should never have been released but there are laws that judges have to follow. The murder conviction was in Illinois.

The judge denied a conditional release and set a high bond that the defendant couldn't possibly pay.
This is why elections matter. How in the world did the guy get out after all of those crimes?
 
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This is why elections matter. How in the world did the guy get out after all of those crimes?
You haven't answered or proven it was progressive thing. Lots of Dems are hard on crime.

In the 2008 trial, DeWalt was sentenced to life in prison, but the law required that the indictment had to be by a grand jury to get the enhanced sentence of life. On appeal, the sentence of life was removed and he had to be resentenced, which had to be 12 years. It was a more technical reason, not progressive anything.

Your title is deceptive. Don't just assume sentences are because of progressive politics. Court procedures matter a great deal.
 
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We’re down to political stereotypes now?, got it.
Rhere are stereotypes for a reason. And you do know that a stereotype does not mean 100% of all are the same. Don't you have any stereotypes of conservatives that aee generally true of conservatives? I can think of some.

Cmon' man don't you know conservatives oppose college loan forgiveness programs?
 
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What about protecting the citizenry?
As to past a conviction of murder in the first degree and why he was freed, here is further information for clarity:

In 1986, the sentencing range for first-degree murder in Illinois was 20 to 40 years in prison, with the possibility of a longer or even natural life sentence under certain circumstances. A 30-year sentence fell within the standard range , what Dewalt was sentenced with. The governor at that time was James R. Thompson , a Republican. Yes, it would have been nice if he was sentenced to life in prison but the government at that time chose not to change.
 
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As to past a conviction of murder in the first degree and why he was freed, here is further information for clarity:

In 1986, the sentencing range for first-degree murder in Illinois was 20 to 40 years in prison, with the possibility of a longer or even natural life sentence under certain circumstances. A 30-year sentence fell within the standard range , what Dewalt was sentenced with. The governor at that time was James R. Thompson , a Republican. Yes, it would have been nice if he was sentenced to life in prison but the government at that time chose not to change.
Good research, I'm not sure I'm making my point. I can live with 30 years in prison for first degree murder. But once he grabbed that 17 year-old girl, and she was lucky to get away, that's an undeniable incorrigible violent criminal. He had 30 years to rehab, rehab failed, and society needed to be protected. The sentencing for the crime against the girl completely missed the mark, as it did with his two assaults on correctional officers. So three times for sure those soft on crime did not properly sentence him. Yet people time and time again will not vote for judges and prosecutors and legislators who will give tough sentences.
 
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Good research, I'm not sure I'm making my point. I can live with 30 years in prison for first degree murder. But once he grabbed that 17 year-old girl, and she was lucky to get away, that's an undeniable incorrigible violent criminal. He had 30 years to rehab, rehab failed, and society needed to be protected. The sentencing for the crime against the girl completely missed the mark, as it did with his two assaults on correctional officers. So three times for sure those soft on crime did not properly sentence him. Yet people time and time again will not vote for judges and prosecutors and legislators who will give tough sentences.
I already posted that the judge in the case with the 17 year old girl gave him an enhanced sentence which was life, but the prosecutor did not get the indictment through a grand jury so it made the case ineligible for an enhanced sentence.

It was not the judge, or progressivism that caused the removal of the enhanced sentence, it was the error of the prosecutor. We don't know what party he was with or if party had anything to do with it.

So your title is deceptive and an attempt to flame progressives.
 
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I already posted that the judge in the case with the 17 year old girl gave him an enhanced sentence which was life, but the prosecutor did not get the indictment through a grand jury so it made the case ineligible for an enhanced sentence.

It was not the judge, or progressivism that caused the removal of the enhanced sentence, it was the error of the prosecutor. We don't know what party he was with or if party had anything to do with it.

So your title is deceptive and an attempt to flame progressives.
Was it an error or did the prosecutor not bother? In any case, as I have already stated, in addition to those crimes twice the guy assaulted a corrections officer. An opportunity to sentence the guy to many more years in prison. Four violent crimes. Why wasn't it done?
 
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Was it an error or did the prosecutor not bother? In any case, as I have already stated, in addition to those crimes twice the guy assaulted a corrections officer. An opportunity to sentence the guy to many more years in prison. Four violent crimes. Why wasn't it done?
The County Attorney involved, Thomas N. Kelly, is a long time member of the Republican Party.

Perhaps he errored, but not every case goes before a grand jury. Most don't.

And even with the cases involving the prison guards have laws that the lawyers and judges have to follow.
 
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“But in practice, progressive reformers have increasingly embraced a “throw away the lock” mentality that sees minimizing punishment as itself a positive good. Here, however, progressive reform has lost its way. Its shift from demanding just punishment to preferring little or no punishment damages justice, fairness, and equity—all values progressive reformers claim to champion.[9] If it is to ever achieve those goals, much less win over the majority of Americans, progressive criminal justice reform needs to embrace the value of just punishment.”

 
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“But in practice, progressive reformers ... If it is to ever achieve those goals, much less win over the majority of Americans, progressive criminal justice reform needs to embrace the value of just punishment.”
The phrasing of the statements suggests these reformers have not been able to achieve these reforms. Whether they are right headed or wrong headed, it doesn't have much to do with any real situation, much less the one in the OP.
 
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The phrasing of the statements suggests these reformers have not been able to achieve these reforms. Whether they are right headed or wrong headed, it doesn't have much to do with any real situation, much less the one in the OP.
I disagree with you. As an example look at the recall of the San Francisco DA in 2022.
 
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