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How common is Socianism amongst christians?

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I started going to a fellowship a good many years ago. I liked the Pastor, but something was troubling me about some of the folks there and I wasn't sure if they were believers or not. I was beginning to feel like I was some odd ball sort of christian who believed stuff very few other christians believed, and that one could equally get away with not believing. They went about confidently enough and I kind of felt I daren't say or question anything as I was the 'noob' there. Now I understand that in any christian fellowship there will be seekers and non-christians and some perhaps indifferent. But this was a Baptist Church and I thought it was also evangelical. So I approached someone and asked him a few questions, and it turned out he seemed to believe God could just forgive us, and that Jesus didn't need to die for us to be forgiven. Now what happens in a evangelical church in this situation? Here was someone going about confidently around the church (I was fairly new to this fellowship and really didn't know very many people and didn't feel that confident myself) but he seemingly didn't know the Gospel, or had not responded to it yet.

To be honest it called a lot of things into question for me. If this could be the case, how many there were in a similiar position, was the Gospel being made clear in the preaching - that as Scripture says: "Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin." (Hebrews 9:22) I don't have a problem with there being seekers at a church - of course there will be seekers!! The problem I have is with people there who think God just forgives, no Atonement needed.

I experienced other difficulties there and could not figure out if it was me or the people there.

Oswald Chambers writes "The only ground on which God can forgive us is the tremendous tragedy of the Cross of Christ - to put forgiveness on any other ground is unconscious blasphemy." (My Utmost for His Highest - Nov. 20)

Should I have questioned that chap about what he believed?
 
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For the folks reading this that miss the reference in the subject line (I did)

Socianism says that if Jesus was only a human, and not God; there is no Trinity (Unitarianism), no hell, and no need for the Atonement. This means that Scripture is broken.

it was an anti-trinitarian heresy that started at the same time as the reformation. The reason it is being brought up (probably) is because MacArthur made reference to it in one of his books. .. and that the church claimed to be baptist.

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My Thoughts, in general any church calling itself evangelical is liberal in one way or another. There is a "one blind spot" per congregation unspoken rule where something that is sin, is not discussed as sin so people can relax. The relax aspect is part of the evangelical way of doing things.

So if you encounter a Chimera like an Evangelical Baptist church, figuring out how they are evangelical and how they are baptist may take some time.
 
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Yes I apologise for not defining Socianism. Thankyou for doing so.

I should say and I edited my post, I thought that church was evangelical.

I wasn't thinking about MacArthur at all when I posted, and not sure which book he made reference to it.
 
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Yes I apologise for not defining Socianism. Thankyou for doing so.

I wasn't thinking about MacArthur at all when I posted, and not sure which book he made reference to it.
The site I read said the book was "Ashamed of the Gospel"
 
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I started going to a fellowship a good many years ago. I liked the Pastor, but something was troubling me about some of the folks there and I wasn't sure if they were believers or not. I was beginning to feel like I was some odd ball sort of christian who believed stuff very few other christians believed, and that one could equally get away with not believing. They went about confidently enough and I kind of felt I daren't say or question anything as I was the 'noob' there. Now I understand that in any christian fellowship there will be seekers and non-christians and some perhaps indifferent. But this was a Baptist Church and I thought it was also evangelical. So I approached someone and asked him a few questions, and it turned out he seemed to believe God could just forgive us, and that Jesus didn't need to die for us to be forgiven. Now what happens in a evangelical church in this situation? Here was someone going about confidently around the church (I was fairly new to this fellowship and really didn't know very many people and didn't feel that confident myself) but he seemingly didn't know the Gospel, or had not responded to it yet.

To be honest it called a lot of things into question for me. If this could be the case, how many there were in a similiar position, was the Gospel being made clear in the preaching - that as Scripture says: "Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin." (Hebrews 9:22) I don't have a problem with there being seekers at a church - of course there will be seekers!! The problem I have is with people there who think God just forgives, no Atonement needed.

I experienced other difficulties there and could not figure out if it was me or the people there.

Oswald Chambers writes "The only ground on which God can forgive us is the tremendous tragedy of the Cross of Christ - to put forgiveness on any other ground is unconscious blasphemy." (My Utmost for His Highest - Nov. 20)

Should I have questioned that chap about what he believed?
DMS perhaps the person has yet not fully comprehended theologically the perfect justice system of a perfect God. And that it being only a permanent redeeming sacrifice which could make null and void the consequences of sin. That being the blood sacrifice and death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ . That is what the law demanded of which of none of us could ever keep all except Christ . It is finished
 
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I started going to a fellowship a good many years ago. I liked the Pastor, but something was troubling me about some of the folks there and I wasn't sure if they were believers or not. I was beginning to feel like I was some odd ball sort of christian who believed stuff very few other christians believed, and that one could equally get away with not believing. They went about confidently enough and I kind of felt I daren't say or question anything as I was the 'noob' there. Now I understand that in any christian fellowship there will be seekers and non-christians and some perhaps indifferent. But this was a Baptist Church and I thought it was also evangelical. So I approached someone and asked him a few questions, and it turned out he seemed to believe God could just forgive us, and that Jesus didn't need to die for us to be forgiven. Now what happens in a evangelical church in this situation? Here was someone going about confidently around the church (I was fairly new to this fellowship and really didn't know very many people and didn't feel that confident myself) but he seemingly didn't know the Gospel, or had not responded to it yet.

To be honest it called a lot of things into question for me. If this could be the case, how many there were in a similiar position, was the Gospel being made clear in the preaching - that as Scripture says: "Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin." (Hebrews 9:22) I don't have a problem with there being seekers at a church - of course there will be seekers!! The problem I have is with people there who think God just forgives, no Atonement needed.

I experienced other difficulties there and could not figure out if it was me or the people there.

Oswald Chambers writes "The only ground on which God can forgive us is the tremendous tragedy of the Cross of Christ - to put forgiveness on any other ground is unconscious blasphemy." (My Utmost for His Highest - Nov. 20)

Should I have questioned that chap about what he believed?
Since the very foundation of being a Christian is to acknowledge the diety of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I would say this Pastor is not a Christian. He is a danger to the Body of Christ as he is teaching a false doctrine and impersonating a Baptist leader which directly contradicts their core tenants. If you still attend this congregation I would first make sure you understood him correctly and if you did, report him to the elders. If they are taking the same position then I would send a letter to each leader and immediately part ways.
Blessings
 
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