How should have Christians historically addressed Islam?

Ignatius the Kiwi · Sunday at 2:29 PM

chevyontheriver said:
I guess it’s easy to ‘just move away’ when they have burned your village, taken your daughters as sex slaves, and issued the ultimatum to become Muslim or die.

See in Hoping's mind he wasn't a true Christian because God would never allow that to happen to his faithful. The man actually deserved that happening to him in Hoping's view.

chevyontheriver · Sunday at 2:38 PM

Hoping2 said:
I thank God for keeping me from ever being in a situation where I need to use violence to help myself or others.
And I pray every day that He will keep doing so.
When men depend on their own strength, disaster ensues.

You may someday have the opportunity to face evil that you can stop. Will you act to stop it or will you just let it happen, even the rape and/or beheadding of someone else. Whatchagonnado?

Hoping2 · Sunday at 2:38 PM

chevyontheriver said:
I guess it’s easy to ‘just move away’ when they have burned your village, taken your daughters as sex slaves, and issued the ultimatum to become Muslim or die.

I'm not saying it would be easy.
But moving before an invasion, makes sense to me.

Hoping2 · Sunday at 2:40 PM

chevyontheriver said:
You may someday have the opportunity to face evil that you can stop. Will you act to stop it or will you just let it happen, even the rape and/or beheadding of someone else. Whatchagonnado?

I will depend on God not to allow such an event.
Got faith ?

Ignatius the Kiwi · Sunday at 2:40 PM

Hoping2 said:
I'm not saying it would be easy.
But moving before an invasion, makes sense to me.

You're assuming that everyone had that opportunity. That the enemy didnt launch a surprise raid. That there were places to run to. Sometimes there isn't anywhere to run.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Sunday at 2:43 PM

Hoping2 said:
I will depend on God not to allow such an event.
Got faith ?

So if someone is molested it is evidence they were not of God?

Hoping2 · Sunday at 2:43 PM

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
You're assuming that everyone had that opportunity. That the enemy didnt launch a surprise raid. That there were places to run to. Sometimes there isn't anywhere to run.

By keeping up one's prayer life, and love of God and neighbor, surprises like that don't happen.
If God wants someone to die, my intervention will be futile.

Isn't it amazing how faith can conquer hypotheticals ?

Hoping2 · Sunday at 2:44 PM

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
So if someone is molested it is evidence they were not of God?

I cannot judge anyone I don't know.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Sunday at 2:45 PM

Hoping2 said:
I cannot judge anyone I don't know.

But God won't let his faithful suffer right?

Hoping2 · Sunday at 2:46 PM

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
You're assuming that everyone had that opportunity. That the enemy didnt launch a surprise raid. That there were places to run to. Sometimes there isn't anywhere to run.

Assumptions, hypotheticals, and a dollar,(?) will get you a cup of coffee.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Sunday at 2:46 PM

Hoping2 said:
By keeping up one's prayer life, and love of God and neighbor, surprises like that don't happen.
If God wants someone to die, my intervention will be futile.

Isn't it amazing how faith can conquer hypotheticals ?

Invasions don't happen to people who pray? What are you talking About?

Hoping2 · Sunday at 2:47 PM

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
But God won't let his faithful suffer right?

Not necessarily.
Sometimes suffering bears Godly fruit.

Hoping2 · Sunday at 2:48 PM

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
Invasions don't happen to people who pray? What are you talking About?

I am talking about faith in God.
Trust Him to keep you from such hypothetical situations !

chevyontheriver · Sunday at 2:51 PM

Hoping2 said:
I'm not saying it would be easy.
But moving before an invasion, makes sense to me.

I guess you have never been a refugee. I had that opportunity for a mere month. I would not wish it on anybody.

Your idea to move to France seems naive in the extreme. France is rapidly becoming Islamic. Maybe Hungary or Romania or Uruguay or some place not already going Islamic. Scandinavia and Britain and Germany are also pretty far gone. Choose carefully. And if you live long enough you may get to flee your new home for somewhere else. That is if you have nothing you are willing to defend.

chevyontheriver · Sunday at 2:53 PM

Hoping2 said:
I will depend on God not to allow such an event.
Got faith ?

Jesus didn’t even have that type of faith. He asked that the cup pass him by but that did not happen.

chevyontheriver · Sunday at 2:55 PM

Hoping2 said:
By keeping up one's prayer life, and love of God and neighbor, surprises like that don't happen.
If God wants someone to die, my intervention will be futile.

Isn't it amazing how faith can conquer hypotheticals ?

Surprises happen. Events happen. It rains on the good and the evil.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Sunday at 3:15 PM

Hoping2 said:
Not necessarily.
Sometimes suffering bears Godly fruit.

And other times it just brings about utter destruction. Especially when the enemy does not share your compassion or values.

But your view is the sort of hopelessly naive perspective I complained about in the opening post. Do you know anything about life in the Middle ages? Do you know anything about military warfare of the era? Why do you think surprise raids didn't exist?

Hoping2 · Sunday at 9:25 PM

chevyontheriver said:
I guess you have never been a refugee. I had that opportunity for a mere month. I would not wish it on anybody.

I have never had to flee, at the Lord's warning.

chevyontheriver said:
Your idea to move to France seems naive in the extreme. France is rapidly becoming Islamic. Maybe Hungary or Romania or Uruguay or some place not already going Islamic. Scandinavia and Britain and Germany are also pretty far gone. Choose carefully. And if you live long enough you may get to flee your new home for somewhere else. That is if you have nothing you are willing to defend.

My hypothetical response was to a hypothetical scenario that happened hundreds of years ago..

Hoping2 · Sunday at 9:27 PM

chevyontheriver said:
Jesus didn’t even have that type of faith. He asked that the cup pass him by but that did not happen.

Jesus did God's will.

Hoping2 · Sunday at 9:29 PM

chevyontheriver said:
Surprises happen. Events happen. It rains on the good and the evil.

Yes.
But by prayer that evil doesn't happen around me, I have confidence that it won't.

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